Miseries and Misfortunes
Miseries and Misfortunes
Yes D30 is a very sensitive indicator to the miseries and
Yes D30 is a very sensitive indicator to the miseries and
misfortunes in human lives.
misfortunes in human lives.
Transits of Malefics if more accurately marked in D30 in my
Transits of Malefics if more accurately marked in D30 in my
experience than any other charts.
experience than any other charts.
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Postbybyshilpashilpa » Thu May 19, 2011 10:42 pm» Thu May 19, 2011 10:42 pm
Dear All,
Dear All,
What causes, miseries and misfortunes of collosal order....I mean
What causes, miseries and misfortunes of collosal order....I mean
the type where within weeks & months the lives of some natives
the type where within weeks & months the lives of some natives
change...loss of Job/ death in the family/ severe
change...loss of Job/ death in the family/ severe
disease/accidents/ debts/ insults/ injuries have been seen to hit
disease/accidents/ debts/ insults/ injuries have been seen to hit
suddenly sometimes...causing deep and prolonged sufferings.
suddenly sometimes...causing deep and prolonged sufferings.
When they are beyond the normal rotuine problems and collosal in
When they are beyond the normal rotuine problems and collosal in
nature....the trigger would be generally a change of Dasa/
nature....the trigger would be generally a change of Dasa/
antardasa and / or a transit.
antardasa and / or a transit.
But the cause and remdies should be looked at from the
But the cause and remdies should be looked at from the
Trimamsha, D-30, the recommend chart for misries and
Trimamsha, D-30, the recommend chart for misries and
misfortunes.
misfortunes.
Here is an attempt to delineate and simplify the first look excersie
Here is an attempt to delineate and simplify the first look excersie
using D-30.
using D-30.
Althouhg classics talk about D-30...they are typical dictums,
Althouhg classics talk about D-30...they are typical dictums,
trasnsliterations from sanskrit, scattered and disconnected gems
trasnsliterations from sanskrit, scattered and disconnected gems
Primary refrences are:
Primary refrences are:
works of S. rath, Barabara Pijan, and various books and
works of S. rath, Barabara Pijan, and various books and
commentaries dealing with Trimshamsha
commentaries dealing with Trimshamsha
1) D-30 Lagna Lord will always cause some problems however
1) D-30 Lagna Lord will always cause some problems however
beneifc he might be especially in his periods. He is the weak-point
for the native.
for the native.
The indicator of karmik debts and sharapas carried forward.
The indicator of karmik debts and sharapas carried forward.
2) However if D30 lord is malefic in Rasi and Navamsa, the severity
2) However if D30 lord is malefic in Rasi and Navamsa, the severity
of the problems caused will be much more.
of the problems caused will be much more.
3)The house in D-1 corresponding to the Rasi that is the Lagna in
3)The house in D-1 corresponding to the Rasi that is the Lagna in
D-30 is the focal point of problems in natives life.
D-30 is the focal point of problems in natives life.
4)the placement lagna lord of Rasi in D-30 should be looked at
4)the placement lagna lord of Rasi in D-30 should be looked at
similarly as the secondary source of problems.
similarly as the secondary source of problems.
5)8th is the house to focus on in Trimsamsa to see the planets /
5)8th is the house to focus on in Trimsamsa to see the planets /
grahas tahat will further cause problems.
grahas tahat will further cause problems.
6) rahu transits over the Trimsamsa Lagna can bring severe and
6) rahu transits over the Trimsamsa Lagna can bring severe and
catostrophic consequences..especially if he is malefic in Rasi chart
catostrophic consequences..especially if he is malefic in Rasi chart
7)12th house in Trimamsha shows the exit path from the bad...a
7)12th house in Trimamsha shows the exit path from the bad...a
benefic in 12th is good....malefic will delay exists.
benefic in 12th is good....malefic will delay exists.
since 12th is the 5th from the 8th...and 5th is the house of
since 12th is the 5th from the 8th...and 5th is the house of
mantras/ prayers.
mantras/ prayers.
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[edit] UnLike with all higher charts...D-30 is not so sensitive to
[edit] UnLike with all higher charts...D-30 is not so sensitive to
birth Times ...as the Asc does not change in about 20 minutes
birth Times ...as the Asc does not change in about 20 minutes
window, because of the method used in calculations in JHORA, see
window, because of the method used in calculations in JHORA, see
appended below from PVR Narsimharao
appended below from PVR Narsimharao
regards
regards
From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
To: Shilpa
To: Shilpa
Cc:
Re: Is there a bug in JHORA D30 calculations ??
Re: Is there a bug in JHORA D30 calculations ??
Fri May 27th, 2011 2:32 AM IST
Fri May 27th, 2011 2:32 AM IST
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Namaste,
Namaste,
Please read BPHS (Brihat Parasara Hora Sastram). First 3 deg,
Please read BPHS (Brihat Parasara Hora Sastram). First 3 deg,
second deg, 3rd 3 deg etc of a sign are mapped to different signs
second deg, 3rd 3 deg etc of a sign are mapped to different signs
in D10. But D30 is different. Not every degree in a sign is mapped
in D10. But D30 is different. Not every degree in a sign is mapped
to different signs in D30. An arc of 5 deg, an arc of 8 deg etc are
to different signs in D30. An arc of 5 deg, an arc of 8 deg etc are
mapped together to a single sign in D30.
mapped together to a single sign in D30.
Bottomline: JHora is correct if you follow Parasara's definition. If
Bottomline: JHora is correct if you follow Parasara's definition. If
you want a cyclical D30 where each sign is mapped to a different
you want a cyclical D30 where each sign is mapped to a different
sign, please change D30 option and use "Parivritti Trimsamsa".
sign, please change D30 option and use "Parivritti Trimsamsa".
JHora default is Parasara's D30.
JHora default is Parasara's D30.
Best regards,
Best regards,
Narasimha
Narasimha
further Sun and Moon are not assigned a role in D-30....being lumanaries they bring
further Sun and Moon are not assigned a role in D-30....being lumanaries they bring
light and joy...and not darkness in lives.
light and joy...and not darkness in lives.
and D-30 being the chart for dark/ evil/ misery & misfortune.
and D-30 being the chart for dark/ evil/ misery & misfortune.
Aside from your question, Sarajit Poddar mentioned that if the Lagna of D-1 and the
Aside from your question, Sarajit Poddar mentioned that if the Lagna of D-1 and the
Lagna of D-30 are the same sign, the individual would have most of his diseases during
Lagna of D-30 are the same sign, the individual would have most of his diseases during
childhood. By extrapolative reasoning, if the diseases are mental etc. and not
childhood. By extrapolative reasoning, if the diseases are mental etc. and not
physical, I would think the person would have master most of his handicaps by
physical, I would think the person would have master most of his handicaps by
adulthood.
adulthood.
But with regards to your question, the person would continue to experience miseries
But with regards to your question, the person would continue to experience miseries
and misfortunes throughout live. This is not just through Shilpa's current post, but in
and misfortunes throughout live. This is not just through Shilpa's current post, but in
my another post where I said if the Lagna of D-1 coincides with ANY of the Lagna of
my another post where I said if the Lagna of D-1 coincides with ANY of the Lagna of
the divisional charts, the areas covered by that divi
the divisional charts, the areas covered by that divisional chart would be emphasised.sional chart would be emphasised.
But the Lagna of D-30 seems to have a strong effect with regards to the above
But the Lagna of D-30 seems to have a strong effect with regards to the above
principle ie. its effects would be more if D-1 Lagna coincide with the Lagna of D-30
principle ie. its effects would be more if D-1 Lagna coincide with the Lagna of D-30
than other divisional charts considered, because of 2 reasons :
(1) D-30 is one of the main charts under the 10 divisional chart scheme unlike say D-6 which also stands for miseries but is not part of the 10 Varga scheme.
(2) Of the 10 divisional chart scheme, D-30 is the only chart whose use is for the prognostication of evil (take 30 divide by 12 giving a remainder 6) just like D-6. The other charts in the 10 divisional chart scheme do not give a remainder of 6 when divided by 12.
D-60, the other chart in the 10 divisional chart scheme, gives a remainder of 0 when divided by 12 meaning 12th Bhava is the Karya House. But 12th Bhava though a
Dusthana, can swing either way of being a neutral or malefic depending on the chart.
That goes the same for D-12 in the 10 divisional chart scheme
which also gives a remainder of 0. But dealing with parents, it
pertains more to the inherited traits from your parents and that I
would say is not totally evil as you can inherit good traits from
your parents as well.
When D1 and D30 lagna lords are the same:
Just like many things in our Vedic astrology....this is another example of trade-offs. While D-30 lordship tainst and weakens Ascendant...D-1 lordship tones down the maleficity.
Further this would make the Asc. in Vargottama between D-1 and D-30, indicating to me a natural/ harmonic alignment to fight the advesity and misfortunes.
You could ask the native with such a case ot verify how the periods and sub-periods of the ascendant lords...especially the events when Rahu transitted over the ascendant.
1) Undoubtedly Mars has taken you to great heights by being so well placed in it's house of Digabla in the Rasi chart and also in Dasa-varga charts ( an amasabala of 9....unbelievable)...it will take you higher & further in your career. I have absolutely no doubts about that either.
2) But as I told astro123 in this same thread and have often said before our system of Vedic astrology ia one of trade-offs....often times the same strength that gives you a lot...is a negative also in some areas of life..
It is generalyl said that an extreme strength is also a blind spot. The same planet gives a lot many times takes away some.
3) Mars is indeed the Ascendant Lord of the Trimamsa...so it will cause your problems of some kind in life.
and per the D-30 analysis rules...the most impact that Mars makes is in your 5th house of Rasi( scorpio)...because Scorpio is the Asc house in D30.
Mars as the ruler of 5th and so strong in the 10th and dasavarga....gives you 5th house significations like Fame, fortune, Sucesss in intellect/ academic or
related field rise.
But Mars the Trimamsa lord takes away some part of 5th house
significations....such as Romance, love based phsyical relations, delay in having children....and hence the associated stress that comes from this aspect of life socially.
5) Further the D1 asendant Lord Moon sits in the 6th house of services and
obstacles and hurdles...there will always be people wanting to pull you down or throw hurdles in your path....
Always the strong Mars related to your professional house will give you the courage to fight and overcome...but hurdles will be there.
3) Lastly the graha in the 8th house of Trimamsa is Venus...the planet of love/ relations ( both physical and emotional)....is the area of deprivation and Hurt and it validates the 5th house deprivations also.
4)and the exit path from deprivation as shown by 12th house of Trimamsa is Jup, the karak of knowldege / wisdom and Saturn the lord of spirituality sitting there,
Continued persuance of knowldege/ wisdom based professions / vocations and spirituality will help you either attian what the graha in 8th ( Venus) deprives you...or atleast overcome the affects.
Yours is one of the many charts of successful people I have seen that is blessed and deprived simultaneously...you have to undertsand your destiny and align with it.
following is my attempt to decipher what's been going on...especially w.r.t triggers and timings.
--Shani is the lord of the ascendant in the Trimamsa, the trouble causing planet.
--Shani is exalted in the 12th house of rasi in Vyay bhaav
when problems / losses shoud have started...however such major problems need a trigger
--Ketu in it's own house and with ascendant gives you good results i n many ways, but afflicts Jupiter, the natural benefic.
---the trigger IMO came in the form of transitting Jupiter throuhg Pisces retrograding to Aquarius in Oct 2010.
Retrograde Jup in transit is reported to give advserse results if not well placed in Rasi chart.
--So the combination of the Trimamsa Lord AD and Jupiter's retrogradte transit...triggered the unfortunate events affecting 3rd ( social standing and relatons) , 4th ( prosperity at home) and 1st houses where Jup sits( overall life).
--Rahu posited in 8th house will transit over your natal Ketu in the first week of June...creating intense conflicts and internal turmoils, physical and mental health issues.
--You have to pray to Lord Shani everyday, offering til/ tel on Saturdays...until the Shani AD ends in June 2011.
--Once you are past June, life should start easing back to normal. The escape path is denoted by Venus sitting in the 12th house. Occupying yourself with favorite pastime leisure’s, hobbies and finding a partner/ relations hip with opposite sex will be instrumental in getting back to normal.
my problesm is when will i be able to have a child, and when will i be able to get out of financial worries and have my own house.
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Post by shilpa » Mon May 23, 2011 3:25 am
jayakap wrote:my problesm is when will i be able to have a child, and when will i be able to get out o f financial worries and have my own house.
--Lord of Trimamsa is Jupiter,the putra Karak....(no wonder) and the problem creating planet.
--Further Jup as the asc lord of D-1 is placed in the D-30 Lagna
-- the house denoting problem is 1st....and hence not having a progeny impacts all areas of your existense since it's the Ascendant house.
--Althouhg Asc in Vargottama indicates, an immesnse ability to fight the adversities and misfortunes.
--exit from miseries is indicated by 12th in D-30 which is empty but it's lord Mars indicates need to fight/ courgae....and Mars also signifies surgery whihc means a surgical/ operative procedure could be the solution.
-- Running Rahu MD sitting in the 12th house makes thimgs difficult....but Rahu also signifies operations / surgeries
---Without too much delay attempt to concieve using inavise procedures like IUI or IVF.
--Chant Brihaspati Mantra, fast on Thursdays...that sh ould also help, not only in conception but other areas of life as the Trimamsa Lord is in the first house denoting the cause of all-round problems
Rahu is in the 7th in Taurus...and although the exalttaion of Rahu is qustionabale and it's exaltation house is debatable.
However even if we assume it is exalted...the important question to answer is if Rahu is malefic or beneifc.
Rahu sits in Mrigshirsha... lorded my Mars and Mars is in thr eigth house so Rahu in your chart acts likes Mars in 8th house...hence it is a malefic.
so when rahu will transit over the natal Ketu ( and Ket over natal Rahu)...will be unpleasant in my read...as one of them is malefic.
Lagna lord with Rahu gives anxiety with no reason.regards
--D30 lagna is Saggitarius....and about 1.5 year back transitting Rahu entered Saggitarius....which as per the rules of Trimamsa is a known period of misery and misfortune.
--More so if Rahu is malefic in the chart...and problematic mildly even if Rahu is well placed
--In your chart Rahu is indeed malefic as Rahus in Baharni ruled by Venus an Venus is in the bitter enemy sign of Sun, neutralized a bit due to temporal friendly placement of Su 2nd from Venus.
Neverthless Ra can be called mildly bad to neutral in your chart...hence the result of Rahu's transit over your Triamsa Lagna cause the problems.
--Ra will exit Saggitarius on 7th June and this should see your problems/ traumas reduce.
--like tank25 you also have your trimamsa lagna in Sagiitarius that Rahu has been transitting over for the last 1.5 years
--Rahu is well placed in it's own Nakshtra and you are running Rahu AD also. --Rahu when well placed causes milder problems when transitting over trimamsa lagna.
--Things should get better after 7th June
--Lagna of D30 is Saggitarius, your 7th hosue of relationships/ marriage and partnerships...whihc may be the area of troubles in your life.
--Trimamsa Lord Jup sits in the 11th house of earnings and wish fulfillments. Will throw hurdles in significations of 11th house, even when and before fullfilling them.
Rahu is conjunct with Jupiter in the 12th house of Saggitarius...and magnifies the effect of a strong Jupiter.
Rahu will transit into his 1st house on the 7th June...the effect of whihc should be quite positive / favorable IMO.
Assuming your BT is accurate:
--so problem area for you may be income from profession...whihc means you are not making enough money, as you should or not finding the right
employment.
--How was the time between April 2005 to Sep 2006 ?? also what MD-Ad were you running then and what are you running now.
--Saturn sitting in the 8th house of your Trimamsa shows your problems are because of Saturnian hard-work grind, delays, denials, constrains,
restrains...perhaps for family reasons( constraining/ restrictin g cause) and affecting your employment/ earning prospects.
--Escape path...12th house of trimamsa has nodes sitting in it...not
good...indicates little choices in escaping from the situation. Almost Karmik destiny imposed situations that are restraining you down.
Good Karma...spirituality...is your only solace but expect no drastic changes to your situations in the short term.
--Trimamsa...Lagna Lord is sun placed in the 7th house....and per the given rules denotes the area of troubles in your life i.e marriage.
Which you confirmed is the case.
--You are also on the 1-7 axis of Rahu-Ketu and Rahu was transiting over 7th house ( Ket over 1st)in 2006
--Rahu-Ket on 1-7 or 7-1 axes are bad....and further more severe if the Nakshatra lord placement is bad.
--In your case...rahu sits in Moon's Nakshtra and Moon is debilitated in the 3rd house...which is why Rahu is malefic in yuor chart. Ketu is in shani's nakshatra and shani is in bitter enemy sign of sun...hence both Rahu and Ketu are out and out malefic's in your chart.
They destroy the houses they sit in and their transits ate also bad, especially when crossing natal Rahu, Ket or the Lagna or the Trimamsa Lagna house.
--As explained above in 2006 Ra-Ket were transitting over 7-1 houses and you were running the AD of debilitated Moon...when these catostrophic events occured.
--Further shani is also malefic for your chart and shani was then transitting over natal shani brining out 12th house losses type affects in full force.
--3rd house of siblings is Mars is debilitated in 11th and 11th lord is Moon debilitated in 3rd....exchnage yoga but unfortunately 3rd house denoting siblings is badly
shattered due to double debility...probably siblings earnings/ incomes and social satndings are badly hit.
--Consecutive bad AD's of Moon, Mars, Rahu are over...and you have better phase of Jup, and and Me will provide you relative relief over several years. Your dasanath Ve is not bad eitehr.
"7)12th house in Trimamsha shows the exit path from the bad...a benefic in 12th is good....malefic will delay exists.
since 12th is the 5th from the 8th...and 5th is the house of mantras/ prayers."
shilpaji
kandhan wrote:"7)12th house in Trimamsha shows the exit path from the bad...a benefic in 12th is good....malefic will delay exists.
since 12th is the 5th from the 8th...and 5th is the house of mantras/ prayers ." shilpaji
so the mantra suitable for the native in the context of D-30 has to be deduced from 12th of D-30?
Dear Kandhan,
the 5th from the 8th i.e 12th shows the exit path...whihc could be a perosn ( such as mother or brother's support) or a karkatwa ( such as religion or
leadrrship)...and not necessarily the planet / diety to appease.
I would interpret the above in blue as 5th from the 8th showing the answers / fruits of your prayers...and not necessarily the deity to appease.
--Trimamsa Lagna is Aquarius that corresponds to the 11th house...i.e earnings / income from job the main area of concern.
--Trimamsa Lagna Lord is Shani lording the 10th and 11th house the cause of most grief as it brings out the 6th house significations of disease, hurdles, enemity because it is seated in the 6th house....especially in amtetrs related to profession and income.
--and shani being in the 8th house of D-30 is further confirmation of the source of trouble.
--The nodes are seated in the 12th house of your D-30 making the exit path more in the hands of fate then in yoor control.
However earn good Karmik credits, fight adversity with courgae and
determination is what Mars also in the 12th shows...and life will eventually get better.
Now let's look at the Rasi chart
--Althouhg Shani is from multiple sources seen to be the grief giver....it is not an out-and-out complete malefic for you...it gives you mixed results.
Just that currently it is transiting over your natal Shani whihc happens to be in the 6th house also....is why it is so severe.
--that was coupled with the period of Jup-Sun ending in Oct 2010....and sun, the lord of 5th is debilitated in the 7th.
--the disease/ health, income loss, enemity type situations will ease a lot after November...when shani moves to Libra....actually you may have already seen relief since May when Jupiter transitted into Aries...your lagna house.
--Rahu is in the fourth house indicating possibilities for foreign settlement, whihc is further confirmed by the 9th and 12th lord being same, Jup although in the 6th.
Rahus is in Mercury's nakshtar whihc is combust in Rasi....making Rahu malefic in Rasi chart...casuing problems in happiness at home.
--In D4 moon the karak for long term foreign stay is in 4th and 4th and 9th Lord are conjunct.
--So foreign stay and settlement is a very strong possibility...although because Rahu is malefic in Rasi and 9th, 12th lords are in the 6th house of
hurdles....you will see big hurdles in foreign settlement and may never quite feel fully settled.
--Pray to shanidev...every day...especially on saturday..do til/ tel arpan on shani idols/ in temples or at home...will give you relief.
also chant Rahu mantra...and offer oil on Rahu iron diety also on Saturdays...will make foreign stay less troublesome.
--7th house has the 3rd, 6th Lords combusted in it...however Moon is friendly in the 7th house.
It's an afflicted house, but not completely damaged.
--8th house is strong with Ma in his own house and indicating conjugal bliss when it happens.
--Venus the karak of marriage and Lord of 7th is average to weak in Rasi in D9
--7th Lord Jup is extremely well placed in the 10th house in Pisces...and Venus the Karak of marriage is also very well placed in his own house.
Navamsa is very strongly postive for marriage and hence your married life will last. It will have it's shares of troubles especially during the Me periods...but it will last and should yield you emotional and phsyical fullfillment.
I had been told by some astrologers that venus placed in 12th in navamsha will be a big hurdle to getting married. But thank you very much for your encouraging reply.
Regards
actually that is not true....since Venus is in own house....inspite of the house being 12th, cancellation of maleficity rule applies.
Venus there will do you good.
Does anyone know why D30 is paired with D2?
regards
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Re: Miseries and Misfortunes
Post by Khoo Hock Leong » Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:08 pm
Hi Shilpa
I got the answer from the article by G K Goel on Divisional Charts.
D2 deals with Sampatti. The word Sampatti does not only mean material wealth but all means of sustenance including mannerism, nature and attitude towards life as a whole.
D30 indicates evils, inclination of natural traits based on Trigunas - Swatic, Rajas and Tamas. Like in my case my D-30 has Taurus rising and hence ruled by Venus and Venus is a Rajastic planet. So I more inclined to be Rajastic amongst other factors like the number of planets in various signs in the Rasi chart.
So D30 is more like a hidden attitude shrouded in a veil and D2 represents more of your gen eral
attitude which is known by everybody who is acquainted with you for some time. Only really close ones know about your D30.
Warmest Regards Hock Leong
--you are running the antardasa of the Trimansa lagna Lord Mercury.
--such periods of Trimamsa LL always bring problems and of high severity if this planet is malefic for the Rasi chart.
--Me is in the enemy house of Saturn in the 8th house and afflicted by Ketu...hence inimical for the chart. It is further tainted by being in an exchange with 8th Lord shani
--shani is more neutral in the house of Me and conjunct with Neutral Jupiter. --shani is only mildly malefic because of 8th lordship...but Mercury is the much more potent malefic for your chart. Shani is also problematic because it rules 8th in D30 also.
--you are running the 8th lord shani mahadasa and Mercury anatara...the AD ends on 25 Nov 2012.
---Pray to lord Buddha every day, fast on wenesdays, chant Buddha mantra, donate green clothes, green moong, green fruits and vegetables on wednesdays and you will get relief.
--the Asc. in D30 is in Vargottama w.r.t D1 and shows you have great courage and resilliance to handel miseries. Love/ affection from some one close or a potential partner will also help you get out o this situation...because the exit pat is shown by the 12th house of Trimamsa....whihc is lorded by Ve let's look at the recent calamity in the life of Mohd Azharuddin...who lost his teenaged son in a bike accident....in the light of the misery and misfortune principles.
Feb 9th, 1963...22:25...Hyderabad
Rahu conjuncts with a debilitated Mars and hence malefic....in the 11th house...instigating the evil desires
Rahu is transiting over the Trimamsa Lagna...whihc can be a misfortunate period in native's life even if Rahu is positive in his chart...and when malefic it can unleash havoc. Not only is it transiting over the Asc Rahu in transit is also aspecting the natal Asc. Lord( mars) and Rahu
.
Further, Azhar is running Rahu MD and Rahu's transit over the scorio ( his house of Asc in d30) is going to last about 14 more months...let us see how that pans out for him?
When I see Jagjit Singh's chart and his D-30, I can see his misfortune with repect to childern very clearly.
Feb 8, 1941, 11:50 AM, Ganganagar, India. His D30 lagna is virgo and lord is mercury.
In rasi virgo is the fifth house, see the fate of his children, biological son died at 19 and step daughter commited suicide some time back.
D30 lagna is occupied by debilitated Ve with Ra and Ketu. This is a very malefic combo.
D30 lagna itself is problematic, add neecha planet with both nodes, it weakens the entire chart irrespective of any other subha yoga, when lagna or lagna lord are weak or under papakartari yoga no good comes out..the native fails to experience any other good yogas.
His childern's fate was very tragic.
there could have been some escape. His losses were colossal.
His saptamsa D7 does not reveal this issue to the extent that D30 does.
y shilpa » Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:54 pm
Hina wrote:
Shilpaji,
How about analyzing Jagjeet Singh's rashi chart. Can one see his
immense success in D-1? You can see his Mars in 8th house playing the
role in his marital break-up.
Is Rahu in 5 th house responsible for the kids' tragic end? The dispositor
Me is in 10th but is moving towards deb.
Thanks!
Dear Hina,
Did his marriage break-up? I thouhgt from late 60s according to
Wikipedia he was happily married till the end to Chitra?
Jagjit singh is..Tarus Asc using Local mean time, since the year of
birth is 1941.... with Jup and a debilitated shani conjunct in the
12th house
--Ketu is in the 11th house but is in the Nakshatra of shani that is
debilitated in the 12th house...so Ketu is acting like
debilitated shani.
-- Rahu is in the nakshtra of Moon...moon is afflicted and
innimical by sitting in the house of bitter enemy Mercury...
throuhg Nakshtra placement Rahu is a malefic for the chart.
--Rahu-Ketu and shani are malefic for his chart troubling him all
his life. Rahu is in the 5th house spoiling the 5th house...but that
alone doesn't give such tragic circumstances to all those who have
such a configuration.
--as Grishneshwar pointed....his 5th house is Virgo and Virgo is the
Trimsamsa (D-30) Lagna, and also contains Rahu and Ket and
debilitated Ve in D30.
and per the analysis rules for D30...Virgo becomes the seat of
miseries and misfortunes in the rasis chart...and in his
case...particularly severe because Virgo is destroyed in
Trimsamsa.
--He lost his 19 year old son right at the end of the malefic Shani's
MD...when transitory shani and Rahu were aspecting the 5th
house of children in Rasi chart and lagna house in Trimsamsa.
--combiantions of shani, rahu, ket periods and transits would have
brought severe situations in his life and his end came in one of the
combined dire configuration of these 3 planets in transit and
MD-AD asd explained here
http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... 083#p94083
-- His successes were his creativity and talent based and hence are
denoted from his Navamsa, also observed in the thread quoted
above.
--your horoscope shows most d-charts having asc. conjunct with Moon....it;s rare and interesting
--your D60 shows chandra lagna afflicted by Ket and d60 on the 1-7 axis
of...maternal curses carried forward into this life...impacting the 7th house area i.e relationship.
How is your relationship with your motehr...is she your dependent? --trimsamsa lagna is Gemini and YES as per the triamsa interpretation
rules....the area of your life biggest source of trouble is the gemini in the rasi chart...whihc is the 7th house of relationships
--eight of trimsamsa shows the planet responsible for troubles....shanidev is seated there...but since shani is in his own house...means that he will not be
out and out malefic...appeasement will make him relent.
--finally the exit path is shown by 12th in trimsamsa...and there is benefic Venus seated in his own house...you will find the love of your life
--and aligned with karmik curses indication of D60 and the troubled hou se of Gemini in D30...we see the 7th house in D1 is afflicted because of a badly combust 7th lord Me therein.
Hpowever...note Me is still in swakshetra and offsets some of bad due to combustion...
and Venus the marraige karak is strong in Rasi as well as many higher D charts showing an amsabal of 5...ensuring comfotable life and eventually you shou ld find the love of your life.
--serve your motehr and maternal women well, do good to your maid servants, serve in old age and destitutes home for women....support financially the marriage of some needy girls/women...to repay the karmik debts...and you should soon see relationship possibilites open up.
Here is a quick review of your Rasi and higher charts:
--there is rare occurence of a debilitated Surya in your Rasi chart and every D-chart from the dasavarga group going all the way to Dwadasama.
This includes....Surya as the 4th Lord in Rasi and worst of all Surya as the Navamsa Lagna Lord. Navamsa is the chart of happiness and content.
--Your problems may have been triggered in the Surya antardasa during the Jup MD.
--you should do surya namaskar, surya Jal arpan, surya mantra daily, fast on Sundays and make donations if you can.
--such a repeat occurence of a negative pattern in multiple D-charts is indicative of a curse carried forward.
D60 shows sun innimical in the 6th hosue( counting from chandra lagna) of shani and afflicted by ket that is in ati-sheetak amasa.
--however there are a number of positive karmas also as indicated by exalted Venus and shani in D60.
8th implying never a shortage of money and access to wealth from other
sources....and navamsa 10th Lord Venus is in swakshtra...further dasamasa has Exalted Venus, swakshetra Jupiter, exalted Moon...all indicating that sources such as relatives and spouse will continue to support monetarily. --Just that surya's extraordinary weakness kills the dominance, leadership, pride type of accomplishments out of life....and given that he is also the navamsa lagna lord....deprive overall content in life,
--In addtion to the remedy of porpitating surya....at the karmik level...you should try to donate to and serve also if you can find time...old men at old age homes...old beggars i.e paternal aged old needy and
downtrodden...for faster disssolution of possible curses.
girla123 wrote:Dear Shipaji,
Thanks for your reply. I will try and follow the remedies suggested by you.
There are some other few things i would want you to guide me with, since it is now evident that the weakness of my sun is the reason of most of my dificulties...and that there is a probable curse which i am carrying which is indicated by ketu conjunct sun in my D60..i would want to know:
Is the curse from the fathers side since Sun represents Father....
And since shani is my ninth lord so can it be said that it is giving its Badhakapati results for my lagna in its Mahadasha Period
So can we say that my coming up sat-sun period is going to bad or posed with more challanges.
And also what abt rest of my Sat Dasha becos it is my YK and AK dasha..will i get benifits frm this dasha or not.
Also pls if u could provide some reading based on my D30 chart as i am not able to relate it based on the guideline you have mentioned in this thread, and also that i had asked your advise on if any BTR is req becos with 9:30 pm my D-10 looks too good to be
true...does my birth time matches with the my events, like marraige, child birth which i had shared with you.
Await your valuable inputs. Regards,
GSV
--the curse could be father or a paternal uncle..or even your professional
master or the governnment / ruler that you might have cheated severly...i.e a figure of authority who you might have wronged.
--shani period is not totally bad for you....shani is mixed for your chart in fact more good than bad with an amasabala of 4 in higher charts...and your
shortcomigns are inspite of shani...and not because of him
once the advserse yoogas are triggered...such as in Jup-Su period and probably coupled with a fast moving transit of sun....then they act life long. --In D-9 BT asc. changes within 3 minutes of changing BT...but the events corelate with the current BT.
even if the BT was changed to move the lagna by one house...the strong planets would still remain strong in your D10.
however D10 is a supplementary chart hanging from the rasi chart.
and life isn't totally bad...there ain't a rank malefic or a malefic conjunction in your charts.
otehr then the discussed weakness of Sun.
--The D30 shows a couple of things of note...Ra was transitting over your D30 lagna and this is a stressful period, even when rahu is positive for a chart.
Rahu is positive for your chart...by conjunction with strong Jup. If Ra was malefic things could have been much worse.
the next 1.5 year will be no better or worse ...similar mildly stressful...as rahu moves to Libra and will transit over your nodes in D30.
--addtional Rahu appeasement and propitation will help.
--But bear in mind transits don't change the course of your life....they bring out both the positves and negatives that are promised in your natal charts...and otehr than the debility of sun across multiple D charts...there is not an mjor weakness/v affliction in yoru chart.
USAGE OF SHASTIAMSA (D60) IN REAL HOROSCOPES ==============================================
The Shastiamsa has a very strong role to play in our life and Destiny as it connects our current life to our past life (lives). Hence understanding the Shastiamsa is Crucial.
Lagnesha governs what resources one will be given in this birth, how those resources can support the native in the progress in this life etc. It can say a lot about the person's cultural, family and locational identity. It can also impact on the native's personality, attitude, outlook towards life etc. When Lagnesha is exalted in D60, the native will have strong ideals, principles, high morality and positive outlook.
Similarly, the Bagyesha governs what luck the person has to get success, how much dharma or righteousness the person has and how successful the life is going to be. When the Bhagyesha is strong in Shastiamsa, the native even under a lot of duress, will get the strength to persist in the life's journey and attain the purpose of this birth.
Given here the horoscope of Adolf Hitler, his life, his mission and the final outcome of his life. We will only analyze the Shastiamsa of Lagnesha and Bhagyesha here.
Note: Don't bother about the D60 Lagna, which could be incorrect. I have not verified its accuracy. The Shastiamsa positions are given below.
____________________________________ Body Division Index Amsa
____________________________________ Lagna 9 9 Garala Sun 18 18 Indu Moon 29 29 Kamalaakara Mars 49 49 Chandra-mukhi Mercury 7 7 Bhrashta Jupiter 32 32 Kaala Venus (R) 49 49 Chandra-mukhi Saturn 43 18 Indu Rahu 48 48 Karala-danshtra ____________________________________
Lagnesha Shukra is placed in Chandra-mukhi amsa. Indicating his ability to influence huge crowd with his speech. Chandra-Mukhi means the seductive face of Chandra with which he seduces his 27 wives, the 27 Nakshatras. He also used it to seduce the wife of Guru, Tara and had a Bastard child Budha from the union with her.
Shukra is placed in Mesha Shastiamsa, along with Chandra and Mangal. Mesha and Mangal gave him the Martial power and Chandra made him the crowd puller.
* * *
Bhagyeshsa Budha is placed in Bhrasta Shastiamsa. Bhrasta means corrupt and who has diverted from the path of righteousness. Hitler used his power in the most corrupt manner and caused one of the most heinous genocide in the history of mankind.
Budha is placed in Tula Shastiamsa hemmed between the Surya and Ketu. The Papa-kartari indicate the battles he fought. Papakartari = battles, conflicts.
Budha stands for trade and commerce and Tula is the sign of Trade, market, balance. The papa-kartari caused his eventual failure as he failed to balance his desire to reclaim back the territory the nation lost in WW1 and his greed of global expansion. Budha also got hammered by aspect of Mangal and Shani from Mesha and Makara, which led him to eventual failure.
The D60 can show us just how far up a good karma can take us and just how far down a bad one can take us.
Example, a neutral planet in the D1 but that planet being exalted in the d6 0 can give better than expected results. Similarly a planet in Moolitrikona in D1 but Debilitated in the D60 will give good, but not as good as expected. When you get them both pointing the same direction, it can show extremes of fortune.
It's a good point to consider, but Dr. Farr is right. It's best if we can understand the basics of the birth chart first, and then learn how to systematically read the other vargas (say up to the d30) and then we co nsider bhava cusps and houses and then we move on to the D60.
Also, we must remember, the D60 is very sensitive to time. So unless we know the precisest of times, it might not be accurate.
Hare Krishna Dear Sunil,
You asked about the AK in D-60, Sanjay spoke about D-60 at the west coast conference, i was just listening to those cds yesterday.
Sanjay mentioned few important points regarding D-60.
Why D-60 is given such importance in the varga schemes etc , because it is the past birth and the associated karmas we are bring with us
definetely will have strong impact on our current sitution and this can be see through navamsa chart.
He said to judge D-60 the same as rasi chart with excpetion of slight difference with viewing of the AL, as we dotn take the AL from previous birth with us!As a matter of fact in the class he explained the sample charts for all info. WIth this info it was easier to
understand the karmas and explain phoebias , repeated bad dreams,etc. But, Sanjay gave importance when viewing the D-60 especailly look to the the 9th lord.
Look at the 9th lord from rasi and see where it was placed in D-60. Also note the shastiamsa that the 9th lord is in.If it is in a good
or favorable shastiamsa them the person is bring ing with them some good karmas.
appears to be a good rasi chart if the 9th lord is in a bad
shastiamsa it can ruin the chart, as the 9th lord is where all the blessings in life come from and if someones 9th lord is poorly placed or from previous life is bring ing some bad thread though indications in its Shastiamsa state,then chart is spoiled,
as far as i remember he mentioened to see WHERE and what sign the AK was placed in in D-60,
Anyway, i will listen again and make sure i have the info straight and get back to you on it later today.
(If anyone wants to buy the cds (with D-60 class and also theres Punya chakra class etc contact me, or go to SJC web site.) ALL the best
Lakshmi
varahamihira , " Sunil John " <suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote: > Dear Learned members,
> This might be a stupid question, but its been bothering me for some time.
> D60 has been given more imp by Parashara and the vimsokaphala point given is moer than D1 & D9 combined.
> D60 is past lives and also shows strength of planets in comparision to Rasi chart. yogas of planets should be checked in D60 also.
> We see the AKs position in the D9, why dont we see AK position in the D60, AK is the atma and D60 is such an imp chart showing the
strength etc.
> Pls guide my thinking> Sunil John> Mumbai