DEDICATIONS
To my ONEITIS who got me here,
and to all of the women in my heart that keep me warm at night. I hope you love me as much as I love you, because I love you all. And if you don't, that's fine because I have enough love for all of us. To the community members who don't hoard information for just themselves,
Thank You.
TABLE OF CONTENTS:
Table of Contents
SUPPLICATIVE DISCLAIMER... 4
HOW AND WHY I AM HERE... 5
MY METHOD, AND WHY IT WON’T WORK FOR (MOST OF) YOU...9
TERMS USED IN THE PUA COMMUNITY... 10
PICK UP GURU OVERVIEW... 16
ROSS JEFFRIES-PAUL ROSS JEFFREY-JEFF ROSS- PAUL ROSS...18
JUGGLER - WAYNE ELISE...19
MYSTERY – ERIK VON MARKOVIK...20
STYLE – NEIL STRAUSS – CHRIS POWELS - CPOWLES100...21
DAVID DEANGELO - EBEN WIND PAGAN...22
TYLER DURDEN- OWEN COOK... 23
GUNWITCH - ALLEN REYES... 24
STEVE PICCUS – STEVE P. DEAMOREAND HYPNOTICA(RASPUTIN)- ERIC VON SYDOW ... 25
DAVID X... 26
LANCE MASON ... 27
SHARK- RANKO MAGAMI... 28
TECHNIQUE OVERVIEW...29
SPEED SEDUCTION ... 30
MYSTERY METHOD...31
DOUBLE YOUR DATING... 32
ANNIHILATION METHOD (L.A.S. V.E.G.A.S)... 33
PICKUP 101...34
CHARISMA ARTS (JUGGLER METHOD)... 35
THE GUNWITCH METHOD... 36
REAL SOCIAL DYNAMICS...37
DAVIDX (PURE DIRECT METHOD?)... 38
ATTRACT AND DATE... 39
MUST READ THREADS ...40
RECOMMENDED PRODUCTS...42
SUPPLICATIVE DISCLAIMER
I am a Keyboard Jockey.
Everything I write here is wrong, biased and slanted. Nothing here is true.
I am wrong. You are right.
Your chosen path is better than mine.
I have bitch fingers, you have the hands of a man. You are taller than me.
Your life is complete while mine is a fucking shamble. You make more money than me.
You are cooler than me.
You look better than me, better than my fat, bald, bad teethed shitty clothes wearing self. Your dick is longer than mine.
You are smarter than me (haha, ok, the bullshit is getting deep.)
You have fucked more women than me (hahah ok, probably not, but whatever. Pussy matters not; you’ll learn that soon enough).
You can satisfy women better than I ever could. (I'm having trouble breathing from the laughter trying to type this)
You are a better person than me.*
LOL ok, enough of that, you get the idea. Don’t get pissy reading this
ebook, ok? Opinions are like assholes, they all stink.
*Or maybe, just maybe, each person is complete in themselves and they don’t need external validation to exist. Just maybe. Go read some Shel Silverstien you stupid fuckers. You’ll get it eventually. It took me seven years, can you learn it faster? Would you let yourself? Could you? When? :P
HOW AND WHY I AM HERE
“I think you’re attractive and I would like to get to know you.”
Say that to the mirror while thinking about someone you have oneitis for. Or for a woman you are attracted to. Think about saying that when you are in a bookstore, at the supermarket, anywhere.
For people who are naturally confident, it should be simple. However, in the “Seduction Community” there are tens of THOUSANDS of people that are not communicating with women nor having the love life that they desire. Not all of them are here because of confidence issues, but the great majority are. Plus, there wouldn’t be so many methods and techniques and buyers of said products if there wasn’t a problem with many guys to say that simple phrase.
I still have that problem, only when it counts though, hence my inner game issue of being congruent. I can go into a set, approach an ugly or stupid girl and have a great conversation, but when it comes to someone I actually am
attracted to, or has power over me or I respect… I can’t be myself. Thank the gods for Colt 45™. And the community in general. I've seen a marked improvement in myself and the approaches that I make over the last five months since first finding mASF. The “inner demons” are still there, but I'm reframing them into slaves to my desires instead of wardens for the prison of my mind.
Now that I set myself up in your eyes as a hopeless Keyboard Jockey, let me lay on the table exactly how I got here to solidify that image.
Oneitis.
There was this woman.... She would be rated on her looks alone to me as a HB9… perfect ass, perfect tits, beautiful eyes, flowing red hair and a voice so sweet that even when she was bitching about something I couldn't help but smile.
Yeah, oneitis that bad. You’ve been there, we all have.
Well, I figured that I should probably ask her out since I probably not run into her again, and I couldn’t bear that. So I managed to put my fears aside and took a “fuck it” attitude, nothing ventured nothing gained. I pulled her aside and asked her on a date. I got shot down in a rather dismissive way (or so I thought). The typical “I have a boyfriend, and we’re deeply in love” and the words we all FUCKING hate “I’m really flattered, though.” When I ran into her at a later date, it turns out she did have a boyfriend, and they were love. Good for her. But still, I didn’t know that she was being honest until months later.
But back to me. After she blew me out of the water (my perspective), I was angry and frustrated. She didn’t even want to connect with me at all, doesn’t she know how interesting I am? I’ve been to over ten countries in the Pacific Rim, fucked over 37 women, debated with philosophers, evacuated refugees, a loyal and trustworthy man, a beacon of honesty in a sea of lies and
deception, talked suicidal people out of trying to kill themselves and
hundreds of other incidents in my life that could easily be made into a season of 24! Didn’t she know how fucking AWSOME I am? The bitch!!!
(Note: all of us here are fucking AWSOME in one way or another, the above paragraph is only to illustrate what went through my mind at the time, not as a bragging statement. After all, I’m just a KJ anyways.Eyeroll.)
HAHA… yeah, of course she didn’t know. She couldn't read my mind. I understand that now.But that incident was what finally got my journey started. And for that I owe her thanks.
A friend suggested I check out the posts on mASF to pick up some techniques for approaching women, since I got shot down so quickly. He knew that I was very good at natural rappor with my friends, and he couldn't understand why I would be having problems seeming interesting to women that I was attracted to.
mASF. Moderated Alt.Seduction.Fast. http://www.fastseduction.com/
If you haven’t been there yet, which I highly doubt, you should go. Now. There is a ton of information there, and at mASF you will realize that you are not alone in your inability to “properly” communicate with women.
I'm becoming less def ined, as day s go by Fading away , well y ou might say I'm losing f ocus
Kind of drif ting into the abstract in terms of how I see my self Sometimes, I think I can see right through my self
Sometimes, I think I can see right through my self Sometimes, I can see right through my self Less concerned, about f itting into the world
Your world that is, cause it doesn't really matter any more
(No, it doesn't really matter any more) No, it doesn't really matter any more None of this really matters any more Yes, I am alone, but then again I alway s was As f ar back as I can tell, I think may be it's because Because y ou were nev er really real to begin with I just made y ou up to hurt my self
I just made y ou up to hurt my self
Yeah, and I just made y ou up to hurt my self I just made y ou up to hurt my self
Yeah, and I just made y ou up to hurt my self And it worked
Yes it did!
There is no you, there is only me There is no you, there is only me There is no f ucking you, there is only me There is no f ucking you, there is only me Only (x4)
Well, the tiniest little dot caught my ey e And it turned out to be a scab And I had this f unny f eeling Like I just knew it's something bad I just couldn't leav e it alone I kept picking at that scab
It was a doorway try ing to seal itself shut But I climbed through
Now I'm somewhere I am not supposed to be And I can see things I know I really shouldn't see And now I know why now, now I know why Things aren't as pretty on the inside There is no you, there is only me There is no you, there is only me There is no f ucking you, there is only me There is no f ucking you, there is only me Only (x8)
mASF lead me to Speed Seduction. That’s when I realized that Ross Jeffries is kinda creepy. And yet, almost ALL of the products out there are written by students of his, and seem to carry the same types of messages he has given but told in a different way. Interesting...
I finally heard of “The Game”, borrowed a copy and read it over two days. I really enjoyed it, enough that I searched for Mystery products and posts on mASF. The Mystery Method and VAH were the first product line that I studied hardcore; I had only paid indifferent interest in SS, mainly because RJ’s presentation style was annoying. Now, and even then watching the videos, I think Mystery is a clown, however, that is only because of his peacocking and also his lack of fame as a magician that he tells many people he wants to attain. BUT! I respect his status as a PUG, and that he managed to convey the A1 A2 A3- C1 C2 C3- S1 S2 S3 process to the community. Plus he has sexy hair. Meow! (haha). No, there's some damn good nuts-and-bolts in Mystery's teachings. That's why I use MM as the yardstick that I measure other methods up to.
I wanted to learn other methods, because I don’t go to bars and clubs all that often, so the MM didn’t seem like it would work in real life for me. David DeAngelo was my next mentor-to-be, or so I thought (I got sidetracked by other methods, thankfully).
Since I found the “Seduction Community”, I’ve lost 40 pounds, become overall a much happier person, started working on my broken Inner Game and congruency issues, and I’m out socializing a hell of a lot more than I ever did for the last 7 years after leaving the Navy. I’ve found a fantastically diverse group of people here, in this “TRUE” secret society of pickup artists, of Fifth Columnists so to speak, hidden within the ranks of the publicly known society of pickup artists. A secret society that realizes that you must improve yourself, to get the woman that you want. That all of the patterns, openers, cube readings and such in the world is not enough, if the man is a shell filled with smoke and broken intentions.
I finally know that ONE-ITIS = An example of seeking validation in others instead of yourself.
And that it is dangerous to validate your existence based on the opinion of others.
I had to find mASF->MM->JM->Fifth Columnists before I finally got it, wonder how long it took others.
If I'm not in it for myself, then there's no real point. A question many people in the community fail to ask themselves seriously is "WHY AM I HERE?". I mean, sure, the obvious answer people give themselves is "I want to fuck (a/more) women". But there has to be more to it than the number of women you stick your cock into. If that is simply it, then there are prostitutes all OVER the place. I went through a phase while I was in the Navy where I fucked 30 whores over a three year period, spending an average of $15 - $20 per bang. When you are overseas there's not much to do besides drink, shop and fuck.
Why did I fuck all of those whores? I did it for validation of my peers and of myself, but it was mostly pointless. Towards the middle I actually started learning physical techniques from the whores that has helped me in my sexual life right now. But for most of the bangs-for-a-buck, it was just a notch on the headboard. Plus, while I desperately wanted a real relationship, long term with a woman, there was no way in hell I would put a woman through the life of a navy wife or girlfriend... I fucked too many of them during my time in the Navy to do that to someone I loved.
If you are going for sheer numbers of pussies you jam your cock into, you can't beat the economics of $600. You're going to spend a lot more time, money and effort trying to learn a "method" than just shelling out cash for a "short time" or "long time" (15 min / 1 hour+). I hope you are in the community for another reason.
So, as you can see, the question of "WHY ARE YOU HERE?" is deeper than that if you take the time to think about it, now. I think it boils down to Inner Game for many(Buy Hypnotica). My "biased" opinion is that most techniques are studied to work on the inner game issue of "I want to talk to x type of person / people, and appear y" where y can equal cool, Real™, smart, etc... The line begins to blur for me - is it internal validation from yourself because you can
be "free" to talk to others without hesitation, or is it external validation because it requires outside parties to conform to your expected responsive behavior (by communicating positively to you) with the "methods" used?
WHY ARE YOU IN THE COMMUNITY?
MY METHOD, AND WHY IT WON’T WORK FOR (most of) YOU.
Ok, here’s
my Magic Bullet™.
Be prepared………I don’t have one.
Not yet at least, I’m still shaping what works best for me. Plus, I have so much Inner Game bullshit to focus on, that I don’t get out into the field and try as many sets as I should.
I KJ a lot, I’ll be the first one to admit it. But to be honest with you, I’m not sure if I will ever have a definite “Diebold Method For Seducing Hot Babe 11s”. My technique is a mixture of Juggler, SS, Gunwitch and DavidX. And a little Zan (he seems interesting, but haven't had the time to research him like I should).
A lot of people reading this (hopefully) are still looking around for a style or method that is congruent with who they are inside, or want to be inside. Hopefully this eBook will help steer them in a new direction to allow them to find a PUG or a method that will work them. *shrug* I make no promises.
Since you are still reading this section, I’ll throw you some words which cover how I interact with women I am sexually attracted to when my own Inner Game demons don’t fuck me over and make me act like someone I am not. Sincerity : Once you can fake that, the rest is easy. If you can’t fake it, JUST BE SINCERE.
It's really that fucking easy (Thanks Koenig!).
Honesty : A man who tells the truth 99% of the time is believed when he must lie. There is no such thing as a man who tells the truth 100% of the time. Any man who says that he does that is lying to you. Beware.
Empathy : If you can feel, participate in and direct her emotions, they can lead you both to fun locations. Respect : Respect yourself first, and others will follow your lead. Don't be afraid to respect others. Trust : Share a secret and escalate a bigger secret from her.
Love : I love myself. If she doesn’t, then she is not worth my time. I am the prize in my world. This is my world, she can have her own world to keep to herself, there’s no fun in being in a place where you are unloved.
Please note:
Our vulnerabilities, our weaknesses, are by our own making. No one gives them power other
than OURSELVES. You are only as weak as you make yourself be.
Just remember this one fact: Not one single method or technique will work for you 100%.
There is no Magic Bullet™.
There never will be, because you are unique, just like all 7,000,000,000 of us. Merge what works best for you, what you have the most success with, what makes you most comfortable. Good luck, and may the gods illuminate the right paths in your life. Be good to yourself first, and be good to everyone else you interact with.
TERMS USED IN THE PUA COMMUNITY
Stolen shamelessly from: http://www.fastseduction.com/acronyms.shtml and sucking up page length.
term description attributed to
*close Kiss close or fuck close... depends on the context of what the person us talking about. Usually means kiss close. (also see: close, @close, # close) ?
@close e-mail close (also see: close, *close, # close) Little Grasshopper
101 Turning interest on, then off, then on, etc, not necessarily at regular intervals. Basically "hot & cold", sometimes you're good to a chick and sometimes you throw her a challenge, to keep her guessing and make you more unpredictable. A more elaborate form of 101 is "Push & Pull" method (by Swinggcat).
Reo / Neo-Rio
3s / 3s rule
3 second rule. The rule that you should immediately try to meet a women within 3 seconds of seeing her (or her seeing you). 3 seconds isn't exactly literal, but the translation is "DO NOT HESITATE". Any hesitation will give you more time to
falter and come up with fear-based excuses in your mind. It also give your target time to think negatively about you. Mystery
AFC
Average Frustrated Chump. A "nice guy". A guy who has no pick up skills and rarely manages to close a target pick up. Also a guy who tends to supplicate in his behavior to HBs. Meaning, buying flowers for a chick when going out for coffee, putting her on a pedestal, and generally letting women walk all over him in the vein hope of somehow being seen as attractive in their eyes. A common term used for AFCs that have seen the error of their ways but not yet gained PUA skills is RACF (Recovering AFC).
Ross Jeffries
AI
Approach Invitation. Unconscious actions by an HB to get your specific attention (rather than peacocking to get ALL men's attention) in order for you to have an opening opportunity with her. EC, hanging around you for an extended time for no reason, dropping something in front of you, asking you a question, fumbling with something in front of you, making nervous gestures, etc. By looking for AIs rather than wasting time on cold approaches, your PU game will become 3x more efficient while minimizing C&B results. If made use of in target-rich environments, quality approach opportunities can increase 10x. Observation of AIs is best done after warm-up (a few throwaway approaches).
Formhandle
ambiguity The use of phrases or words which sound alike but differ in meaning, such as blow and below. ?
AMOG Alpha Male Other Guy - In reference to a situation where you are trying to close on a chick and there's direct (in-your-face) competition from another PUA. This is different than a cockblock because the normal disarming strategies don't work. "old__dog"
Anchor
A physical touch to associate that touch with an emotion being felt at the exact time of the touch. Anchors can also be inserted mentally (as a forward-looking mechanism, such as causing a person to recollect a feeling when they experience something in the future) or visually (such as a Self Point).
A General NLP concept
Anti-AI
Anti Approach Invitation. Unconscious actions by an HB to do everything to avoid your specific attention. Walking away from you, avoiding EC, creating a cockblock scenario, etc. Don't waste your time on chicks giving anti-AI to you unless you really like a challenge or spending all your time in TA mode.
Formhandle
AOTP» The Art of the Pickup Formhandle /
TokyoPUA
ASD
Anti-Slut Defense. The chick logic a woman (especially younger ones) will go through to relieve the guilt having sex too quickly with a man, assuming she has enough time to "think" about the consequences - a reaction which causes them to come up with objections or reasons that they shouldn't fuck you in order to relieve their guilt of taking *responsibility* for doing something that society would often call "slutty". Post-sex ASD is usually boiled down to comments from her to her friends like "it just happened". It might be possible to consider waiting for a guy to make all the moves as an ASD. This forces HIM (in her mind) to take responsibility for the fact that she slept with you. "It just happened", "he wouldn't give up", etc. In reality, both people are responsible for their own actions.
yaritai
ASF / uASF alt.seduction.fast (Now sometimes referred to as uASF, Unmoderated ASF ... See mASF for explanation) ?
B Babe ?
BAFC Below Average Frustrated Chump Formhandle
BF Boyfriend ?
BL Body Language ?
bitch shield Not a derogatory term - used to describe a behavior women use when attempting to fend of would-be suitors. Usually in use in clubs, bars, and other pick up places. Sometimes just referred to as a "shield". ?
BC / BOOT CAMP
Dance clubs and crowded bars, "meat markets". The most likely places on the planet for AFCs to get rejected and, therefore, the best place for AFCs to build up a thick skin. THE best places to crash & burn. Also, can refer to Formhandle's weekly bootcamp assignments on mASF.
Formhandle
BT
Buying Temperature - the level of attraction a given girl has for you or someone else at any given time. Not necessarily 1:1 specific, based on overall state of arousal. For example increasing a girl's buying temperature very quickly is called "spiking her buying temperature". Also, her buying temperature can be transferred to someone else, or transferred from someone else to you.
C&F / CF / C/F Cocky & Funny. Referring to the Cocky & Funny techniques taught by David DeAngelo's Double Your Dating. David DeAngelo
chyck chick. duh "Jetman"
close / # close
To complete a pick up by getting a girl to commit to a "date", giving you her phone number, or bedding her literally on the spot. Most PUAs like to differentiate between different kinds of closes (kiss close, number close, fuck close, etc.) Comes from sales terminology. i.e. "Close a deal". (also see: *close, @close)
Mystery
cockblock / CB When obstacles take your target away or get your target disinterested in you. ? crash & burn /
C&B
To attempt an approach/PU and fail miserably. A learning process. Warm-up. Don't confuse with "CB" which is short for
cockblock. ?
DAFS Do A Fucking Search. Kinda like RTFM (Read The Fucking Manual). Usually thrown at newbies who post about a vague memory of a post post without bothering to search for an archive of that post. "old__dog"
DAI
Dead Approach Invitation. Opening on an AI that turns sour and creates an Anti-AI response from the HB. Different than a crash & burn on a cold approach because it involves taking advantage of positive signals you detected from a chick. DAIs are rare if you know how to detect AIs properly.
Dante
DDB "Doggy Dinner Bowl" [Look] - The look on a chick's face when she's tranced out or lapping up your words with a phased out look in their eyes. In that state, they are metaphorically ready to eat out of the palm of your hand. Ross Jeffries
DHV
Display High Value (action/verb) or Display(s) of High(er) Value. An action or story which increases your perceived value. Can be used positively or negatively depending on your perceived value prior to the DHV and whether the chick is Lower Value (you increase hers or reduce yours, preferably increase hers) or Higher Value (you increase yours or reduce hers, preferably increase yours).
DLV
Display Low Value (action/verb) or Display(s) of Low(er) Value. An action or story which decreases your perceived value. Can be used positively or negatively depending on your perceived value prior to the DLV. AFCs fall into the trap of DLVs all the time and the main reason for a PUA to consciously DLV is if the chick's perceived value (her perception of herself) is significantly lower than your perceived value and you run the risk of blowing yourself out of the set because of the disparity. HOWEVER, if her perceived value is lower due to LSE then never DLV and avoid the DLV and simply cater to her negative view of herself (otherwise you lower your value past her own perceived value and blow yourself out).
E&E / EwE Eject & Explain / Eject-with-Explanation. Ejecting from a situation with a chick without completely burning bridges but doing it in a way that allows her the opportunity to understand and "fix" the reason(s) that caused you to eject. You eject her from your sphere/world, not the other way around.
John C. Ryan, AKA
Jack "Jetman"
EC Eye Contact ?
EV Elicit(ing) Values. ?
f close Fuck close. ?
FB Fuck Buddy. ?
FMAC Find Meet Attract Close. The basis of Mystery's method (and pretty much all PU styles). Mystery
FNG Fucking New Guy. A new guy to ASF, the misc sites, and the "right" way to do seduction (in contrast to the "wrong" way presented by a large number of feminazi resources which flood modern society). "Jetman"
FPC First Phone Call Bad Form
FR Field Report ?
FTOW /
GFTOW Find/Fuck Ten Other Women / Go Find/Fuck Ten Other Women ?
FU Fuck Up [Report] ?
FUG Fucking Ugly Girl. A REALLY ugly chick. On the 1-10 scale, a 0. ? g close / GC Girl Close. A g close is what happens when you contact close (# or @ or both) a chick and it leads to a f close rather than
a flake or LJBF. G closing also happens when you same-day f close a chick whether you got her contact info or not. If you get a chick's contact info in order to follow up later (no same-day f close) and can walk away with the full confidence that you WILL lay her soon, that's a g close. Anything else is mental masturbation and you will likely have a flake on your hands. G closing is always better than contact closing.
A g close, however, is not the outcome itself, it's just a sort of required progression stage in order to achieve the end goal of a full close. Check the original post on g closing. Here's some more info:
Essentially, what I was (and always am) trying to say is that contact closing a chick, or even extracting her, or isolating, is going to be fruitless unless your main focus is on attracting her versus prioritizing contact closing, extracting, or isolating.
I am saying: attraction before logistics.
If you don't get a chick highly interested in you (g close) then no logistic in the world will help as a chick will simply not do a guy who she's not interested in. So, get & build that interest first as your primary goal, and the logistics will be secondary, sometimes she'll even figure out the logistics FOR you by suggesting contexts which seem innocent in a societal sense yet provide her with enough convenience and fluidity to allow her to relieve herself of responsibility and be able to say "it just happened". And, remember, detecting a g close is not always easy to detect, so you must always be calibrating her interest level (pay attention for IOIs, reverse-kino, close questions/comments, negated comments coming out of the blue, etc.)
GF Girlfriend ?
GM / GM Style Grand Master. One of the past prominent PUAs and regular posters on uASF, Nathan, had a friend he called "GM" who's primary pick-up style is to be extremely sexual and blatant. Almost blunt. For example, making dick jokes. This approach only works if it's pulled off just right and you stay congruent with it.
Nathan
GPUA Green PUA. Replacement for the RAFC acronym. See RAFC for more explanation. Teaches a guy to make 'i am' rather than 'i want' statements about himself. f.m. breakbeat
GWM Gunwitch Method». See http://gunwitch.fastseduction.com/ ?
HB Hot Babe ?
HC / LC High Class / Low Class. Sometimes in a different context, HC will stand for "Hardcore". ?
HP
Hook Point. The point at which general interest and neutral interest communications with a set turns into the set being "hooked" by your presence (the group has an active interest to want you to stay, a chick's feeling of attraction is switched on).
Style
HTGTWYDIB "How To Get The Women You Desire Into Bed" - a book by Ross Jeffries. ?
HV High Value ?
IAI / pAImAI See pAImAI. ?
IOD Indicator of Disinterest Mystery
IOI Indicator of Interest - signs/signals from you or from the chick which indicates (real) sexual interest. ? IVD Instant Value Display. Something which cues, very quickly, a display of your value. Style
JGirl Japanese Girl ?
KAMI Kino Anchored Motion Inducement TokyoPUA
KC / FC / NC Kiss close, fuck close, number close. ?
KJ Keyboard Jockey. A guy who spends all his time posting about PU but is almost never (or literally never) out in the field. Not a person you want to take PU advice from. Mystery?
Kino Kinesthetic approach (physical touching). Usually of a sexual nature, to get a woman in a state of approval and arousal. Touching and stroking the side of her arm, her elbows, stroking her hair, cheeks, stroking her hand or wrist, etc. Ross Jeffries
LD/HD Low sex drive / high sex drive. Referring to the level of sexual drive a chick has, specifically in reference to LTRs. Depending on the context, could also mean Long Distance (as in Long Distance Relationship). Alan Palmer
LDR Long Distance Relationship ?
LJBF "Let's Just Be Friends" - a slammer statement uttered by women which essentially closes the door on any chance of you ever sleeping with her. ?
LMR Last Minute Resistance ?
LR Lay Report ?
LSE Low Self Esteem MrSex4uNYC
LTR Long Term Relationship ?
LV Low Value ?
M3 Mystery MethodA3], Comfort [C1, C2, C3], Seduction [S1, S2, S3])» Attraction Model (either meaning M x 3 or the 3 stages of pickup in the MM model: Attraction [A1, A2, Mystery mASF Moderated ASF (alt.seduction.fast.*)... Unmoderated ASF is now sometimes referred to as uASF, Unmoderated ASF) Formhandle
mental masturbation
The concept that what you THINK is happening is really just a fantasy about what you want rather than the reality of what has occurred, is occurring, or will occur. For example, going to a strip club, attempting to PU a stripper, getting normal "customer" attention from her, then going home empty-handed with the distorted idea that you may have a chance with her.
Mystery
MLTR
Multiple Long Term Relationships. An acronym and a methodology. Multiple polyamorous sexual relationships. NOT a string of ONSs or an accumulation of FBs, but rather maintaining multiple sexually-centered LTRs at the same time. It is
best to inform all the women in your MLTRs that you are polyamorous. Svengali
MLTR2 /
MLTR^2
An enhanced form of MLTR where the goal is to accumulate a number of LTRs with chicks that are bisexual (at least 1 who is your Primary), so that they or she help(s) with the work of finding more chicks for you (sometimes called "Tandem Hunting"). Idea for this was picked up from Rick H at a seminar.
TokyoPUA / Formhandle
MLTR3 /
MLTR^3
A further enhancement of MLTR2/MLTR^2 where the goal is to utilize 1 or more bisexual Primary chicks in your "harem" of
LTRs in order to garner sex with at least 3 women at the same time. Not necessarily through tandem hunting but of accumulating connections with multiple women who've been pre-screened for bisexuality and then coordinating meets with your Primary(ies) so that you end up with 3 or more girls. Could also be just simply having MLTR where you regularly fuck at least 3 chicks at the same time from the "harem" regularly.
TokyoPUA / Formhandle
MM Mystery Method Mystery
MCDS
Most Chicks Don't Suffice. A feeling in a guy (whether AFC, PUA, doesn't matter) that most chicks he meets don't interest him enough, even more so than a typical looks preference. Usually MCDS is an extreme scenario as only being interested in chicks who are extremely beautiful or have an extreme personality type.
Travel_64
MPB / PMB
Male Pattern Blindness / Pattern Male Blindness - A condition that afflicts men in which they are in a situation where a woman is giving every signal he needs to make a successful close but he does not notice. Later on, he may finally realize his blunder but the realization comes too late.
Vincent
MPUA Master PUA Style
Mr. Smooth [Style]
An approach used primarily with a wingman. A wingman of one of the prominent Japan-based PUAs on ASF, Maniac, uses this so-called style to enhance his friend's approach while also presupposing something positive about his friend. Done with a very friendly attitude, very disarming. Example: "We can both agree that my friend here is a sexy guy, but what do you think about his tie?" That sets up the target to agree without any resistance that the friend is sexy and then opens up a conversation about the tie which can lead to more conversation and additional rapport.
Maniac
Nanpa A term for going out to approach chicks for the purpose of pick ups (originates from Japan, where they make videos of how to do this...) Maniac
neg / neg hit
A negative remark towards a girl designed to break her indifference to you by showing her that you are indifferent to her beauty (or other striking features). Not an insult, that would be bad. More like "Those are interesting nails - are they real?" or "It's really cute how your nose wiggles when you talk - look, there it goes again! <chuckle>". No more than 2 negs on an average HB (7-9/7-9), a maximum of 3 on a super HB (10/10). Negs are pretty much a necessity for 10s or strippers (whether they're 10s or not - simply because they are in an environment which is conducive to them thinking they are 10s).
Mystery
newbie
mission Svengali's call to action for all AFCs who want to change their ways. Svengali next The act of looking for additional pick up opportunities without lingering on a particular situation. ?
NG newsgroup ?
NLP Neuro Linguistic Programming. A termed coined in the 1970s, from the book Trance-Formations : Neuro-Linguistic Programming and the Structure of Hypnosis by Richard Bandler and John Grinder. A way to subconsciously place people in a trance for the purpose of encouraging them to do things you want.
Bandler/Grinder
nMP New Maniac Plan ?
nMR New Maniac Report ... I think :-) ?
NRFR
"Not Ready For a Relationship" - a statement uttered by women (similar to LJBF) which essentially indicates that although she's not in a current relationship, she wouldn't want one with you let alone go out with you. Although it's similar to LJBF, it's possible to TA the situation quickly. It's important to note that women don't need a "relationship" with you to want to sleep with you.
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obstacle Any person (or thing) which could potentially block your chances with the target girl. Mystery
one-itis
A disorder commonly found in AFCs, that forces them to think that one chick is so special that they'll do ANYTHING to get into her panties. The most common cure for this disease is to go out and fuck a Baker's Dozen of other chicks to see that one piece isn't that special. Also see the first question in the ASF FAQ.
John C. Ryan, AKA
Jack "Jetman"
ONS One night stand ?
OQ OverQualify. The point where the chick rules herself out for not feeling competent enough for any kind of relationship with you. A situation where you come across so smooth and alpha that you simply overqualify yourself to your target. Mystery
pAImAI
AI male AI, a semi-passive action or series of actions meant to inducement a chick to initiate an AI. A means to "pre-condition" a chick to initiate some form of non-verbal IOI before actually approaching her or doing an opener, usually the best IOI response to the structure being an AI. Essentially, it's a conscious male tactic (applied as if it was unconscious) that reverses the frame of a female unconscious "PU" tactic. 3 levels of pre-approach: 1.) No AI, walk into a room full of 100 chicks, randomly approach 10, randomly get 1 or 2 interested, perhaps not your best choice of chicks overall, but still better than 0. 2.) AI observation, walk into a room, observe the 10-20 chicks giving you AI, pick the 5 that interest you, spend half the time interacting with half as many chicks who've shown already shown interest (2 * 2 * 2 = 8x efficiency, with increased chick quality). And, with the more positive interactions, social proof for the other 95 chicks is enhanced, providing a method of roughly 10x better results. 3.) pAImAI+AI, walk into a room of 100 chicks, vibe intent everywhere and make presence known, observe chicks selectively (like a calm hunter), and cause 30 chicks to display clear IOIs or initiate significant AIs, approach the few (2-3) that REALLY interest you, knowing they are already highly interested, and that you've already displayed intent (10x AI efficiency * 1.5chicks * 2x interest = 30x efficiency, with MUCH increased chick quality). Overall, the first method is still better than what most guys do, so understanding pAImAI/AI structure, even without many PU skills under one's belt, increases opportunity at least 30x, if not 100x. Note: Some people migth refer to
pAImAI as IAI ("Inducement to Approach Invitation"). Also, capitalization isn't strict on pAImAI - it can be types as paimai or PAIMAI, and pronounced "pie-my".
Formhandle
pattern An arrangement of neuro linguistic programming (NLP) phrases and speeches used to direct the target girl and get her into a state which allows her to be lead. Ross Jeffries
PAWN
Enhanced social proof. A PAWN can be any woman in any situation, doesn't have to be a friend or acquaintance of yours, and can be created on-the-fly. On-the-fly PAWNs are best for building up social proof literally out of thin air, snowballing into more PAWN opportunities and further enhancing your status in the eyes of any potential targets (even ones you have not seen yet). PAWNS can be unwitting participants or completely willing to help your game.
Mystery
pivot
A woman (LJBF material or one of your MLTRs) who you can use as social proof when out on PU session. Used to enhance your status in the eyes of any potential targets (even ones you have not seen yet). Similar to a PAWN but prepared in advance. The earliest known use of the term "pivot" to describe this concept was used in 1996 within the alt.polyamory FAQ, re-posted by IAM***K@wo***.net[ ? ] in a 1996/09/12 article on ASF titled "Re: boyfriend destroyer".
There are also a couple of other old posts from mASF describing this concept here and here.
alt.polyamory FAQ & ASF circa 1996
player A pick up artist (PUA) ?
POTF
Pattern On-The-Fly. Rather than just memorizing specific patterns (which is very inflexible), it's better to get to the point where you can take any situation and create a pattern for it on-the-fly. It's probably still good to know a few key patterns (modified a bit to match your own speaking style) such as: Natural Woman, Incredible Connection, Sex Is Natural, Falling In Love, Blammo, Boyfriend Destroyer, and a few you've created custom for yourself and your own situations/desires.
Brother Ketel
POTW Pattern Of The Week ?
PLRM
Pre Lay Relaxation Mode - "Basically you just have to be very natural about everything you say and do on the way to the lay venue. There is this point in any same day lay as you go from the decision point to your place that could get awkward if she suddenly changes her mind."
TokyoPUA
PTS / SP
Point To Self / Self Point. Pointing briefly to yourself by touching your chest or your stomach or motioning to yourself. An aspect of delivering a pattern which anchors a certain feeling, phrase, or idea to you. Also, depending on the context, could mean "Sticking Point", relating to a mental limitation that is affacting a guy's game. ? PU Pick Up. The act/art of meeting and attracting women. ?
PUA Pick Up Artist ?
PUG Pick Up Guru Formhandle
PUM Pick Up Master Formhandle
rAFC / RAFC
Recovering Average Frustrated Chump. A guy who realizes consciously that he is an AFC and is taking the steps to correct the situation. A lot of guys have chosen to deprecate this acronym in favor of GPUA (Green PUA), which is much more positive. In that regard, a guy is only RAFC for the moment he realizes his AFCness and chooses the path to PUAdom. Once choosing that path, he becomes a GPUA. Some guys make use of a small "r" in rAFC to denote that their recovery from AFCdom is still being worked on. So, if you can follow this logic, the levels of skill, oin order of precedence is: WBAFC, BAFC, AFC, rAFC, RAFC, GPUA, PUA, PUM, PUG (although PUM and PUG are rarely used). Most guys in the western hemisphere are AFC.
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recycle When a PU venue turns stale (you've approached all the HB's you can possibly approach in there or the opportunities have staled out) and you need to move onto a new venue. Little Grasshopper
RTFM Read The Fucking Manual / Read The Fornication Materials. Referring to the Fast Seduction 101 site as a whole, primarily the FAQ, Player Guide ?
sarge / sargy The act of explicitly going out and picking up women using pick-up and seduction techniques. Ross Jeffries
sargeholic Sort of like an alcoholic... except addicted to wanting to meet, pick-up, and seduce women.... do I really need to describe this? Eddy
Self Point Discreetly pointing to oneself while talking about a characteristic, feeling, or positive topic. Use of NLP visual anchoring. Ross Jeffries
shit test
When a chick does or says something which is meant to judge the reaction or response from a male, whether the test is done consciously or unconsciously. The specific words of the response are less meaningful than the method and mode
(attitude) of the response. ?
situ Situation "Jetman"
SMS Simple Messaging System. It's a common phone text-messaging feature, nowadays provided with most cell phone accounts. It used to be a service predominantly found in Europe, now it's pretty much everywhere. ?
SO Significant Other ?
Social Proof
The concept that when you are seen with other women (or keeping a crowd entertained) your social status is raised in the eyes of HBs in the near vicinity. Other forms of display can be seen as social proof (chummy with everyone at a certain place, at ease in your environment, etc.)
Robert B. Cialdini, initiated as a seduction concept by Nathan SOD Statement of Disinterest. e.g. "I don't like you." N/A
SOI
Statement of Intent / Show of Interest. In initiating conversation, or perhaps during fluff-talk stage, making your intent (sexual interest) clear so as to nip LJBF in the bud early on. By declaring your intent (directly or subtly) clear early on, you avoid later resistance to taking the conversation in that direction and clear the way for an easier close. Show of Interest: A (sincere) compliment - Followed by a QUESTION intended to elicit some values (which can be fed back to her later). Statement Of Intent: To suggest doing some romantic activity together. Followed by a CHALLENGE - that is either to do a takeaway, or take the comment back with a "Just Kidding!" or whatever.
Rio
SP
Sticking Point. Could also be short for "Social Proof" or "Self Point", depends on the context. Sticking point relates to a primary aspect of a guy's game that he seems to be having issues with. Pinpointing such a sticking point usually helps a guy to focus on fixing that point and continuing to progress with the improvement of his overall game.
Juggler and, later, Style
SS Speed Seduction ?
STR Short Term Relationship ?
T&A Tits and Ass ?
TA Turn Around. To change an LJBF situation with a woman into something sexual. ? target The girl you are trying to seduce/close. Mystery
toolbox
The concept of having an overall set of resources at your disposal for accomplishing any given goal with chicks. Those resources can be mental, personally physical, material, or external cue factors (real or simulated). As a guy learns about pick-up and seduction, his overall toolbox grows. Also, as a guy improves his game, he begins to learn what aspects of his toolbox are best suited for any given scenario. Just as no particular situation needs all possible things in a guy's toolbox to accomplish his goal, no particular situation can be overcome with just one tool from the toolbox. Collecting and perfecting tools into the toolbox is one part of the improvement process, knowing which tools to use at any given time is another.
TokyoPUA
TFM The Fucking Manual / The Fornication Materials. Referring to the Fast Seduction 101 site as a whole, primarily the FAQ, Player Guide ?
UFEA Universal Female Excuse Archive ("I'm washing my hair that night.", "My grandmother's cat died.", "I'm having family problems for the next 3 months.", etc.) Ross Jeffries
UG Ugly Girl Mystery
UGCB UG cockblock "Jetman"
USP Unique Selling Proposition (a sales tactic) Ross Jeffries
VC
Victim Chick. A chick which comes with a lot of emotional baggage (possibly of past abuse) who gives guys the
opportunity to be a rescuer, feel like a hero, feel loved and vitally important in an intense way. Quite often, you'll hear this type of girl say "I've never told anyone this..." when talking about her messed up past.
Alan Palmer / SweetAssSweet2 4
WARPIG An UG (Ugly Girl) of rating 4 and under. Mystery
WBAFC Way Below Average Frustrated Chump Formhandle
wing /
wingman A fellow pick up friend (possibly pick up artist) who goes along with you when you sarge or hit the clubs. ?
YAOR Yet Another Outing Report ?
PICK UP GURU OVERVIEW
Pick Up Gurus are businessmen.
That means that they will lie to you, stretch the truth - WHATEVER IT TAKES to get you to buy their products. They want your money more than they want to “help” you. In fact, if you have to buy multiple products instead of one massive all-inclusive product, they profit (in more ways than money).
They are salesmen.
Please don’t forget this. Some people get so caught up in their favorite PUG that it goes beyond acceptance of a good set of methods that works for that particular person and evolves into cult worship.
Don’t fall into ONE-IT IS with a particular PUG.
The only cure for ONE-IT IS with a PUG is to go out and READ/WATCH/LISTEN to 10 OTHER PUG Products!
Its funny how guys who are trying their best to be your “best friend”… will bad mouth and put down products by other PUGs … who were once their friends. If you dig around enough, you will see all sorts of drama between the PUGs. Just remember, you can trust your teacher… but don’t take a ride home with them. They will probably try to fuck you in an uncomfortable place, like in the back of a Volkswagon.
BEST FRIENDS FOREVER!
Please note: I tried for MONTHS to get a REAL picture of SAVOY and MYSTERY together. I have NO OPINION of SAVOY at all, just posted the pic for humor's sake. Yes, MM is the yardstick that I use to rate/compare all other methods.
See how the PUGs rated! http://puapics.white.prohosting.com/ratings.html
I pick things up I am a collector And things, well things,
they tend to accumulate I have this net
It drags behind me It picks up feelings For me to feed upon
T here are times, plenty of times I wish I could let it go
But they start to breathe, and they start to grow inside me T here are times, plenty of times I wish I could let it go
But they start to make me think things I don't wanna know
[Chorus:]
I'm trying to fit it all inside I'm trying to open my mouth wide I'm trying not to choke and Swallow it all, swallow it all, swallow it all, swallow it all
I am the plague I am the swarm All your hurt sticks on me And I keep it warm T hey will make me stay, they won't let me leave
T here are so god damned many of them it gets hard to breath
[Chorus:]
I'm trying to fit it all inside I'm trying to open my mouth wide I'm trying not to choke inside I am a good boy and I will Swallow it all, swallow it all, swallow it all, swallow it all
Every last one [x20]
ROSS JEFFRIES-Paul Ross Jeffrey-Jeff Ross- Paul Ross
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Jeffries
Creator of the SPEED SEDUCTION method.
http://www.seduction.com/ http://speedseduction.biz/
One of the oldest of the gurus, and probably the most respected and disrespected one out there. He comes off as a creepy nerd at times, especially in his older videos. The later videos of him that I have watched he is not so creepy.
Kind of boring, VERY hard to keep me interested in his lectures. However, since he is the master of NLP use in seduction from the products I have watched read and listened to, I have to give him proper credit for helping shape the community into the form that it is now.
RATING (AVERAGE = 6.33)
INTELLIGENCE : 7
CONGRUENCE : 6
PRESENTATION : 6
He has been expanding the authorship of the SS line by including Dave Riker who has recorded the fantastic Dave Riker's Speed Seduction Language and Conversation Course. I HIGHLY recommend that product for those interested in NLP.
I am curious if the *Riker’s 3 rules came from the same man (which I saw on a few Mystery Method videos, but Mystery never talked about them, they were always listed on the noteboard.)
* Riker's 3 Rules: You tell a girl, "Look, I have three values that I live by. One, I always wear a condom. Especially
with a girl that I first have sex with. Two, I want this to be fun. I want this to be win-win. I want us to both enjoy it. Three, when we look back at this tomorrow, I want us to look back and be glad that we did it. If everything has happened again, I want us to want to do it again. If we don’t feel these are true, then we shouldn’t do it."
JUGGLER - Wayne Elise
Juggler (Seduction Community)
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Creator of the CHARISMA ARTS method.
http://www.charismaarts.com/
Wayne is a rather interesting speaker. Not in an engaging sort of way mind you, but in an English teacher sort of way (ok, perhaps more like a Gene Simmons type of English teacher, but still). Pleasant demeanor, and doesn't seem to try to talk over the heads of the students.
I can't shake the teacher vibe from this guy. RATING (AVERAGE = 7.33)
INTELLIGENCE : 8
CONGRUENCE : 7
MYSTERY – Erik Von Markovik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Von_Markovik
Creator of the MYSTERY METHOD. Mystery and Lovedrop’s Site:
http://www.venusianarts.com
Savoy’s Site:
http://www.themysterymethod.com/
I love this guy. No, seriously, I do. I really liked the way that he broke his method down into an almost programmically A to B to C style of working the process of pickup. He was the third PUG that I started following. And his video and book products are the ones I use as a yardstick for everything that I have read since.
However, I definitely get the vibe that he has way too much crazy in his head (Inner Game), which is why the peacocking and push/pull in his method works for him. I felt sorry for him while I was reading “The Game”. His videos and books are well written and performed, but sometimes the editing needs help. Otherwise I’d give his PRESENTATION rating a 9 if they were edited better than they are. His CONGRUENCE is an 8, despite having so many Inner Game issues, his method doesn’t contradict itself very often.
Mystery is a smart man, even in his products. But I have to ask, if he really wanted to be a famous magician… what is holding him back? I think I know the answer.
RATING (AVERAGE = 7.66)
INTELLIGENCE : 8
CONGRUENCE : 8
PRESENTATION : 7
Muinro wrote:
DVD 08: Mystery And Style - Advanced Techniques For Making HER Come. Mystery, the man who got me started on my path to mastery, stops in to share some of his most powerful techniques, including the legendary Titty-Punch Neg.
Mystery is always thinking of new and exciting ideas to make women come, and in this DVD, he shares his latest and most effective tactics, such as the use of a vibrator.
STYLE – Neil Strauss – Chris Powels - cpowles100
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Strauss
Writer of THE GAME and creator of THE ANNIHILATION METHOD.
http://www.stylelife.com/
I hate his voice. I love his writing. I hate his Style. I love how he rocks the bald.
Love – Hate sums up how I feel about Style.
I would love some hair care tips for us baldies from him. Hint
Hint!
Style has been involved with the community for a very long time, much longer than he alludes to. He presents himself as a new guy to the community, and if he can make such massive progress then you can as well. Sales gimmick in my eyes, but shrug. He looks real sexy in BELLA LOVES DONNA in his PVC/LATEX white nurse outfit. Credited as Chris Powels. But that's definitely Style.
I give Neil massive credit for the following quote:
Pickup is about knowing who you are, what you're worth, and how to discover, bring out, and share your best self without fear, insecurity, or self-consciousness. It's about how to automatically attract people to you just by existing and being you. It's a simple idea but hard to learn.
You give hope to all KJs, Style!
RATING (AVERAGE = 6.66)
INTELLIGENCE : 8
CONGRUENCE : 6
PRESENTATION : 6
Style has been a stand up comedian, a porn guest-star, a PUG, a writer. Is there anything that Style CANNOT do? He wrote and starred in a short film called “Shoot” : http://www.ifilm.com/video/2731299 check it out, it’s not bad. Style... WTF is NOSERAPE? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPHd_q31rVI I mean, come on. Nothing like having the word RAPE associated with the seduction community through you as a proxy. Fuck, man!
DAVID DeANGELO - Eben Wind Pagan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_DeAngelo
Creator of the DOUBLE YOUR DATING method.
http://www.doubleyourdating.com/ www.catchhimandkeephim.com for the ladies BORING. David was the fourth PUG I came across, and for some reason I could not get into his presentation videos. However, there are some powerful nuggets in his products… which there are a lot of. The man can market… even though I suspect he’s mostly responsible for the super annoying ebook format with changing font sizes and colors that totally pisses me off and distracts me from actually learning anything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:David_DeAngelo
RATING (AVERAGE = 5.66)
INTELLIGENCE : 7
CONGRUENCE : 6
PRESENTATION : 4
TYLER DURDEN- Owen Cook
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Social_Dynamics
Co-Creator of the REAL SOCIAL DYNAMICS method.
http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/
I first heard of him from “The Game”. I also have to admit that I dismissed him right off the bat because of it, taking Neil’s side and view without actually seeing any of his products. However, after watching Superconference my attitude towards him has changed.
It also seems that he's had a crisis of conscience lately. It should be interesting to see what new direction he takes RSD.
RATING (AVERAGE = 7)
INTELLIGENCE : 6
CONGRUENCE : 7
GUNWITCH - Allen Reyes
Creator of THE GUNWITCH METHOD.
http://www.dynamicsexlife.com/
I ran across his method much later in my studies, so most of what he offers is covered by the other PUGs. However, he is a frequent on the mASF chat, and seems like a personable guy on chat. Some of his posts on mASF are… varied. Like his famous NO RESERVE PUSSY thread. That he is reachable via live chat is a bonus, and his material is a good mesh of other techniques.
RATING (AVERAGE = 7.33)
INTELLIGENCE : 7
CONGRUENCE : 9
PRESENTATION : 6
<diebold> Is there a more flattering picture of you out there on the internet besides your crossed armed pic (showing off your massive muscles), you are rather menacing in that photo. :/
<Gunwitch> get what ya pay for lol. Fuckin people hassling me for a pic, so I put one up, then no one believes its me until I meet people.
<diebold> It fits well into the famous No Reserve Pussy thread, but it's still... may detract people from checking your method out. Just saying.
<Gunwitch> as if I am gonna get the worst possible quality picture on the net, and keep my head on my body as a fake pic... jesus.
<diebold> No, I believe it's you. It's not like you are Style acting in a porn movie as "Chris Powels". :)
<Gunwitch> 5 dollar camera, had it burned to a disc <diebold> haha, awesome. :)
<Gunwitch> I mean I am "me"
<Gunwitch> I put on a sweater and my hand under my chin and sit on a stool <Gunwitch> thatd be really fuckin weird lol
<diebold> fuck that shit, it's definitely not congruent with your posts. :) <Gunwitch> in my pic I had been punched in the face about 100 times a couple hours before it
<Gunwitch> yeah, fuck thats me <diebold> Can I quote you? :) <Gunwitch> yeah lol <diebold> done and done.
<Gunwitch> these pua glamor shots... I mean come on
<Gunwitch> if a guys a "pick up guru" whos pretty and has long hair
<Gunwitch> he is just a chick with a dick ...he aint facing any challenges the guy who wants to learn game is
<Gunwitch> you can surely quote me on that lol
<Gunwitch> when they think you are gonna put em in a van and make em your 'winter wife' and you still get em to leave with you willingly hats fuckin game, not hooking up with some britney clone cause you have laser whitened teeth and a manicure I mean fuck!
<diebold> Gunwitch, my second question is what would you want to convey to the readers of the book (it's a free ebook that I'll be releasing to the community, not selling it or some shit like that), I have the Gunwitch method separate from the section on you, so either one that you would like to send a comment out on would be appreciated.
<diebold> Personally I wish I had your muscles. *shrug* <Gunwitch> there is nothing wrong with them
<Gunwitch> the major presupposition in this community is always that there is something wrong with a guy because he isn't having the sex life he wants or he wouldn't be studying this stuff, which is slightly true.
<Gunwitch> but also more so.... he is missing just a few key points that keep him average; not lame or wrong or weird.
<Gunwitch> the average man has 5-7 sex partners in his lifetime.by statistics.
<Gunwitch> there is nothing wrong with you, you just need to make an effort beyond the average man, thats my biggest message I suppose
<diebold> That's a very good message, thank you Gunwitch!
<diebold> Hope you don't get pissed when you read my ebook and come and rip my arms off. I'm slanted and biased in my writing, it shows, but then I go for honesty above some of the BS that gets sold to us.
STEVE PICCUS – Steve P. DeAmore and HYPNOTICA(RASPUTIN)- Eric Von Sydow
Steve created WHITE TIGER TANTRA, a female orgasm / squirting video. Hypnotica created The Sphinx of
Imagination, a popular trance product.
http://www.stevepiccus.com/ http://www.hypnotica.org/ http://www.theinnergameguru.com/
Steve makes women squirt. Hypnotica makes people think they squirted, without even having a vagina. Yes I know they aren’t really PUGs, yet on many products and methods there is a “GUEST STARRING” billet that always includes these two guys, so that’s why they are listed here. They seem to help people work on their Inner Game issues.
The WTT videos are … poorly produced even with having good quality info on them - definitely MORE info than the Stephane squirting product. TSOI was very well put together, however since I don’t enter a trance or hypnosis easily, the product was lost on me…. The Sphinx of Imagination…. Buy Hypnotica…. But on other products where they make guest appearances, they are very enthralling to watch.
(First rating is for Steve, Second is for Hypnotica) RATING (AVERAGE = 7.5/8.29)
INTELLIGENCE : 8/8
CONGRUENCE :
-/-PRESENTATION : 7/9
I could really enjoy sitting down for an hour and listen to Steve Piccus talk. When he gets going he has a rather
soothing voice and a very pleasant demeanor. Hypnotica is set to release an Inner Game product soon, and I'm honestly interested it. Hopefully it's not a hypnotic/trance CD, as those don't work on me, sadly. Trances in real life, no
DAVID X
Be-relentless.com is no more...
Straight, blunt, and looks like he ate 500 women. ROFL, I kid. I read and watched DavidX late in my studies, but I really wish I had started with this guy. I like his “Sopranos” attitude in his products, while the presentation videos are poorly filmed they are full of gold. Not “solid gold” since many people cannot do direct game at the level he suggests, but still gold none-the-less. He comes off as too misogynistic at times however.
RATING (AVERAGE = 6.66)
INTELLIGENCE : 6
CONGRUENCE : 9
PRESENTATION : 5
LANCE MASON
Creator of the PICKUP 101 method.
http://www.pickup101.com/
Lance and his crew at Pickup 101 have put together a selection of products that I have to admit I have a soft spot in my heart for. But since this section is about the man himself and not the products, I have to focus.
I don’t think that Lance is worthy of the PUG status that the community has given him. In his products, he gives me the vibe that he’s wearing the suit of a PUG, yet at his core he just wants a normal LTR. I know that sounds bad in the ears of a PUA, but it shows that there is some underlying integrity. That he’s playing and teaching “The Game” to help others.
Or it may just be a marketing gimmick. *shrug* He’s rather easy going, and seems a little on the wishy-washy side compared to other gurus, but he does come across as someone without a lot of Inner Game issues.
RATING (AVERAGE = 5.66)
INTELLIGENCE : 4
CONGRUENCE : 6
PRESENTATION : 7
A note about INTELLIGENCE above. Yes, it is 4. That doesn’t mean he’s stupid, or the way that he communicates is stupid. What the 4 means is that he doesn’t use a ton of fluff words to get core ideas across on his products. Like I stated above, I have a soft spot in my heart for most of the Pickup 101 products that I have seen.
SHARK- Ranko Magami
http://www.attractanddate.com/
I could NOT stop thinking of BORAT when listening to Ranko. Not what he was saying, just his accent.
But, the advice that he gives is golden. I may not agree with the lying part, but then again I am an Honest Man™(not a Virtuous Man™).
TECHNIQUE OVERVIEW
GET BACK TO YOUR COMPUTER AND STUDY!
I have the urge to revisit ONEITIS again. Many men come to the community because of it, and of course the common mASF response is GFTOW. The idea is that by sleeping with ten other women, that your feelings for that particular oneitis will fade into curious nostalgia, as you will discover that there is a plethora of other women out there that have the same looks, same soft voice and probably more things in common with you,
including an interest in YOU.
I'm gonna smash myself to pieces I'm gonna fuck myself up I'm sifting through the ashes of w hat I have become
I threw it all aw ay ... now I'm nothing. I let you slip aw ay ... now I'm nothing.
All that I can do is break myself in tw o
I fucked it all aw ay ... now I'm nothing
w ave w ave w ave w ave goodbye w ave w ave w ave w ave goodbye
SPEED SEDUCTION
http://www.seduction.com/
BEST IF USED BY : Guys who like long conversations; Guys who understand nuances of language; Salesmen; KJs.
BEST IF USED AT : Any location where long conversations (>3 minutes) are common. WORST IF USED BY : Average intelligence guys, guys who want a quick fuck.
WORST IF USED AT : A club, loud bar or any venue where it’s hard to be heard. METHOD CATEGORIES : INDIRECT, CALIBRATION, INNER GAME
METHOD’S STRENGTH : Ability to frame and reframe easily, fast rapport building.
METHOD’S WEAKNESS : When used by those who can’t master tonality, makes them seem
very creepy. Doesn’t work well on shallow / stupid women. Also, can make you seem like a manipulating asshole if your game slips while using this.
Essentially, SS is command of communication to obtain your goal of connecting with the woman you are talking to. This product automatically gains the “Grandfather Clause” of “MUST READ”, because almost all PUGs have been students of SS, and have go their own directions taking what they could take from RJ and SS. Well... considering that SS is based heavily from NLP principles, almost all PUGs are teaching from lessons taught from NLP.
Personally, I think that two things have caused the plethora of products on the market for men trying to connect with women. The first is quite obvious: MONEY. A lot of the students of Ross Jeffries probably felt that they could teach other guys how to talk and connect and seduce women, and wanted to make some cash doing it. Not all PUGs are that way, but many are. The second would be the complexity of the course. In many ways SS is to difficult for most to understand, and... considering RJ's background that's understandable. Core concepts eventually had to be watered down for the unwashed masses to integrate, and other PUGs ran madly with their own products with a watered down, warped version of what SS teaches. After all, it's always easy for the average Joe to follow some other PUG than it is to follow the SS formula that is wrapped around NLP and true understanding of communication. Understanding communication tends to be too “mental” for most people in the community, which is why they don't follow SS as hard-core as, say Mystery Method.
So much of SS gets ripped off and resold as “brand spanking new” by other products that it's often refreshing to see the originators in action.
Praise for SS from other GURUS:
“Afterwards , Swinggcat and I cruised around a student neighborhood and had a lot of fun. I haven't really done a lot of street sarging (more bars and clubs), but it was amazingly easy. We'd just stop someone and ask for directions; in the process, they'd give us some scrap of info about themselves. We'd ask a question about it; and then we'd transition into doing something fun like the Cube with them. Now, Swinggcat is a genius SS'er, and would get them into amazing trances for *closes. The best was in a store. I was cubing one super-cute Asian-Latina girl while he was doing the same with the other girl who worked there, a hippie chick. They were ignoring the phone and customers and everything, and, if we were in a club or bar or house, the hippie girl was so turned on that she would have been all over Swinggcat. I must learn more NLP!” - Christopher Powels, AKA STYLE
MYSTERY METHOD
http://www.venusianarts.com/ http://www.themysterymethod.com/
BEST IF USED BY : Club goers; ONS seekers; People who want attention. BEST IF USED AT : Clubs, party venues, social events.
WORST IF USED BY : People who want LTRs with open communication/honesty. People who hate being the center of attention for long periods of time. WORST IF USED AT : Quiet places; Places where peacocking would be viewed as abnormal
/ distasteful.
METHOD CATEGORIES : INDIRECT, BRUTE FORCE, OUTER GAME
METHOD’S STRENGTH : Very methodical.
METHOD’S WEAKNESS : Targets are typically shallow women, doesn’t address inner game importance.
“Any Kino you get in a strip club…. Don’t trust it. It doesn’t exist. This is the exception to the rule.” “Here is the problem with rune casting, as with any other DHV… you can become the dancing monkey.” This is for HB9+.
The workshops offer a more powerful and meaningful approach to the methods than what is presented in the home study DVDs. The DVDs were one of the first products that I watched, but until seeing a workshop in action I never realized what MM was perfect for. I think that the MM DVDs were watered down and made more general to sell to as wide of an audience as possible.
If you think that the MM would work well for you, I would highly recommend a workshop, because you will get training and lessons that are not conveyed properly in either the Venusian Arts Handbook or the MM DVD set. The A1-3,C1-3,S1-3 model can work for anywhere, and I think it’s a great model for interaction. However, the MM, with all of it’s negs, tricks, patterns and routines is geared perfectly for strip clubs, ”hired guns”, and high status women. Yes, those same things can be used in other situations, but where the MM is most powerful is in those
situations. Somehow that got removed from the DVD product to sell more copies. That would piss me off except that I’ve moved on to focus on my Inner Game more than my Outer Game.
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DOUBLE YOUR DATING
http://www.doubleyourdating.com/
BEST IF USED BY : Beginners
BEST IF USED AT : Party atmospheres
WORST IF USED BY : Can be used by most type of people, insensitive assholes go overboard.
WORST IF USED AT : Nowhere
METHOD CATEGORIES : INNER GAME
METHOD’S STRENGTH : Takes the best of other methods.
METHOD’S WEAKNESS : Cocky and Funny gets overused, can hurt the target.
David DeAngelo is probably the most boring teacher out there. His "pick up" skills are dubious at best. However his advice has helped many people... or at least helped people that thought if they bought all of his products they would become what they needed to be..
I've avoided reading most of his materials, because I could just NOT get past his tonality. Too monotonous for me. Plus he advocates lying, as well as "cocky and funny" which tends to bruise egos and isn't my style when I first meet people. I only bust balls after I let the other person bust mine and I know they can take it. :)
David DeAngelo is a gatekeeper. But what is beyond the gate is not usually of his own creation. Hence lots of “guest speakers” at his seminars. DYD is an integration of other methods and ideas as well as a gateway to introduce AFCs to other PUGs.