Question 8: Differences between KP and Four Step Method
I have read your comments that 4 step theory is different from KP and in predictions it offers different results . Do u have any examples where KP has come out well and for the same chart as per 4 step the results are different . In my experience 4 step theory hits the bulls eye . Hence the clarifications .Pls give max examples
Answer 8: (Courtesy of KP-Ezine October 2013)
Differences between KP and Four Step Method (Courtesy of Astrovision July 2008 issue, Revised and Updated)
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KP FOUR STEP METHOD *
1 Basis
Based on a long term research of Guruji KSK in both Indian and Western
astrology
Basis
Based on K.M. Subramaniam’s Sublord Speaks-1, 2, 3 articles
2 Signification by a Planet
1)Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of the results and the SUB is deciding factor whether the matter is favorable or not
2) K.M. Subramaniam considers the sub lord as a decider and its star lord for its signification. (Sublord Speaks LX, last article, in K P & Astrology 1998, p 69, reprinted in SUBLORD SPEAKS – part 3, p 141)
Signification by a Planet
1) A planet signifies the event through 4 steps: i)Planet itself, ii) Star lord of the planet, iii) Sub lord of the planet, iv) Star lord of this sub lord, and 3rd & 4th steps are more important.
2) The 4th step is the alleged extension. 3) The SUB lord in 3rd step is also a significator not a decider like in KP.
3 Basic Significators
1) All significators are considered in the order of strength, grade A,B,C,D & E with the astrologer’s own judgment based on his experience taking into account of sub lords.
2) Signification at the planet, star and sub levels are simultaneously considered by C.R. Bhatt, K.M. Subramaniam (Sublord Speaks), Umang Taneja, Kanak Bosmia etc.
3) A planet having no planet in its star is considered as a strong significator of the houses for whose cusps the planet is a sub lord. (KP Reader III p 309, KP & Astrology, 1991 July p 1 & November p 8, PS Rao, Vikari Ramamurthi, Kuppu
Basic Significators
1) Only the primary or strong significators are considered.
2) The house occupied by a planet with no planet in its star or a planet in its own star (KP grade B significator) and the houses owned by the planet when they are empty (KP grade D significators) are 4 step primary significators (upgraded KP grade A significators from B & D). 3) The house occupied by a planet acting as the star lord of another planet, i.e. a planet in the step 2 or 4 (KP grade A significator) and the houses owned by the planet when they are empty (KP grade C significators) are 4 step primary significators (KP grade A & upgraded
Ganapathi, R. Mukunda Rajan, Kanak Bosmia etc
4) The sub lord is a decider in judging whether a planet or cusp or significator or dasa lord is favorable or not.
KP grade A significators from C).
4) The signification of a planet in 1st and 3rd step (sub lord) having another planet in its star is not considered, i.e. useless. 4 Planet Having No Planet in its Stars &
Planet in its Own Star
They are not the same and only a planet having no planet in its star, but not a planet in its own star, is considered as a strong significator of the houses for whose cusps the planet is a sub lord.
Planet Having No Planet in its Stars & Planet in its Own Star
They are the same as the house occupied by a planet with no planet in its star or a planet in its own star is a primary
significator. 5 Rahu/Ketu Significators
1) Whether Rahu/Ketu is a planet or star lord or sub lord, the followings e been found taken in KP Readers depending on relevance to the event under
consideration regardless of their
sequence of order (“Rahu/Ketu Rules in KP” ,KPE-Zine, May 2007 issue): i) House occupied by Rahu/Ketu, ii) Planet in conjun. with Rahu/Ketu, iii) Planet in aspect to Rahu/Ketu and iv) Star lord of Rahu/Ketu,
v) Sign lord of rasi sign occupied by Rahu/Ketu.
2) Conjunction in the same rasi sign and Hindu aspect without orb are used. 3) No planet, including Rahu/ketu, is wholly benefic or malefic depending on the signification at 3 levels of planet, star and sub by occupation and lordship.
Rahu/Ketu Significators 1) The same rules of primary significators in point 2.2. apply to Rahu/Ketu.
2) Only if Rahu/Ketu is itself the primary significator, then the house occupied, the planets in conjunction or aspecting within the orb of 3° 20′ (extendable to 5° esp. for fast moving planets, if needed), its star lord and sign lord also will become the primary significators. 3) When Rahu/Ketu is the star lord of another planet, i.e. it is in the step 2 or 4, the house occupied and the houses owned by its star lord are considered. 4) Rahu is a blemish planet, which creates problems and does not give the results effectively to the native when it is in the DBA, unless Rahu is a strong significator of the improving houses in all 4 steps.
6 Planet Close to Next Cusp
Guruji KSK has taken the result of the Next house ONLY by closeness to the next cusp. (Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol. 2, Sagar Publications, 1966, p 281, 5th
para; KP Reader IV, page 108 3rd para)
Planet Close to Next Cusp
A planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous house in which that planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp the planet is very close. In this case, the result of the next house may not be effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV,
Chandrakant R. Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamani).
1) They are considered as weak
significator after grade A,B,C & D and used as a last resort.
2) Conjunction in the same rasi sign and Hindu aspect are considered without using orb.
3) Grade E significators are planets which are conj. and aspected “by” significators A,B,C,D but not planets “aspecting” A,B,C,D.
4) No planet is wholly benefic or malefic depending on its signification at planet, star and sub levels by occupation and lordship.
5) Rahu/Ketu does not aspect any planet or house since it is not a planet having physical body but it is only a sensitive intersecting point in the pathway of Sun and Moon.
1) If a planet is in conjunction with a cusp within the prescribed orb, behind or ahead the cusp, the planet automatically becomes a primary (KP grade A)
significator of this cusp in any of 4 steps. 2) Only if the original planet itself is a primary significator, i) if a planet is conjoined with another planet within the prescribed orb, the planet is a primary significator of another planet, ii) if a planet aspects on the cusps within the prescribed orb, the planet becomes a primary significator of these houses whose cusps are aspected; iii) if a planet has the Hindu aspect (throwing or receiving) with another planet within the prescribed orb, the planet is a primary significator of another planet.
3) Ketu’s 7th aspect on the cusp is taken. 4) A well known practitioner does not use the 7th aspect of planets.
8 Ruling Planets
1) The RPs in order of preference are: i) Lagna’s star lord
ii) Lagna’s sign lord iii) Moon’s star lord iv) Moon’s sign lord v) Day lord,
2) Moon’s sub lord and Lagna’s sub lord are added by some KP followers.
3) If Rahu/Ketu is in conj. or aspect with the RP; or if it occupies the sign owned by the RP, Rahu/Ketu should be included as the RP.
4) The RP in the star or sub of retrograde planet should be omitted.
Ruling Planets
1) The RPs are in the order of: i) Lagna lord, ii) Moon’s star lord, iii) Moon’s sign lord, and iv) Day lord only.
2) Rahu/Ketu is considered as RP, only if it directly appears in the RPs.
3) The alleged advancement of 4 step is fixing the DBA without using the RPs. 4) But RPs are used to confirm or correct the sub lord of the cusp under judgment. But it is not to recast the horoscope again and to correct only the required sub lord because when one judges the other matter of the same native then again one will confirm the related cuspal sub lord. 9 Retrogression
1) It does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in Horary, if it comes as star/sub lords to the significator.
2) A convincing proof is still needed for a claim that retrogression has no effect in Horary.
Retrogression
1) Retrogression is not working in the Horary as well as natal prediction. 2) But retrogression is used in checking the transits of DBA lords, which should not be in the concerned star and sub of retrograde planets for the materialization of an event.
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called Plutoid, was not even mentioned in KP Readers. No planet is wholly benefic or malefic.
effect of Neptune is not yet sure on the basis of insufficient cases.
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House Grouping
Mostly 3, rarely 4 houses are grouped for an event to happen.
House Grouping
More houses are added, for marriage 2,7,11 & 5,8; for foreign 3,9,12 & 5,7 perhaps in order to signify by the strong or primary significators only.
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2 More than one MarriageIf 7th cusp sub lord is connected to duality & 2nd cusp sub lord signifies 7th
More than one Marriage
If the sub lords of 6th cusp & 7th cusp are the same.
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Cannot Own a House in Life
Guruji KSK’s 4th cusp sub lord is Rahu. (Astrosecrets & KP Part II, p 252)
Cannot Own a House in Life
If 4th cusp sub lord is Rahu, which is allegedly said by Guruji KSK.
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Child Sex
Guruji KSK, “I never had any experience in pin-pointing the sex (of child) before birth...” (KP Reader IV p 236 last para)
Child Sex
If the 4th step star lord of child cusp (starting from 5th for mother and 11th for father) sub lord is in odd sign, male child is indicated; if in even sign, female. 1
5 Promise of Event1) It is promised, if the sub lord of cusp under judgment is a significator of any of the required houses (2, 7, 11 for
marriage) without any other strong negative signification.
2) It is not promised, if the cusp sub lord does not signify any of the required houses or there is a strong negative signification.
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Promise of Event
1) It is promised, if the sub lord of concerned cusp under judgment is a primary significator of any of the required houses (2, 7, 11 & 5, 8 for marriage) in any of 4 steps unless there are only the primary significators of totally negative houses (1, 6, 10, 12) in the steps 3 and 4.
2) It is not promised, only if the primary significators of totally negative houses appear in the steps 3 & 4.
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6 Negative HouseThe previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III & IV, Bhatt’s Nakshatra Chintamani).
Negative House
The 1st house is not a negative house for 2nd, but a primary house to get money; 10th is not a negative house to 11th but it is not applicable in marriage matters. 1
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Computerized Significators
Grade A,B,C & D are not final and to be judged by the concerned subs etc.
Computerized Significators They were supposed to be final as supported by KPAstro 3.0, Astro-Kundli etc. but no more due to changing rules. 1
8 Fixing DBAS1) 3 methods of selecting fruitful significators: i) by using RPs; ii) selecting the significators which are in the stars of the cusp sub lord of the concerned houses; iii) selecting the
Fixing DBAS
1) The event will fructify only when the DBA lords are jointly the primary
significators of all the required houses (2, 7, 11 for marriage), signifying at least one different house each by DBA.
significators whose sub lords are one of the significators.
2) Significators which signify 12th to the required houses should be rejected. The houses 6,8,12 to the concerned house are unfavorable to this house.
3) A planet which appears many times among signficators/RPs or connected to various significators should be chosen.
2) Events are found happen without the complete DBA chain and so Sookshma is included to make a chain complete chain in DBAS. It is also said to use both chains without a prior clue which chain will be complete in reality. Some hints are available how to choose Antara but Sookshma is decided on case by case basis only.
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9 Transit CheckAn event generally happens during the joint period of the significators when the transit agrees i.e. at the time while Sun, Moon and joint DBAS lords are found to be transiting in the star or sub of the same joint DBAS lords.
Transit Check
1) The event will fructify, only if the star lord for fast moving planets and sub lord for slow moving planets, in which the DBA lords are transiting, are the primary significators of the required houses in the first 2 steps, neglecting negative houses. 2) The event will not happen during the period while there are only the primary significators of the totally negative houses in the first 2 steps or while the said star lord or sub lord is retrograde. 2
0 Significators of almost All Houses3 selection methods and other means mentioned in item 15 can be used.
Significators of almost All Houses It is stuck and the same with significators of a very few houses only.
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1 Established RulesRules are established in the six KP Readers based on Guruji KSK’s long term research.
Established Rules
Rules are not yet consistently and clearly established, and still have been modified on the basis on-going experimental research like Pluto’s negative effect against existing rules, no more reliability of SW supported significators, no written reference book that contain all essential basic rules.
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2 Bottom Line Since the techniques and steps are not the same, the results can be different.
Bottom Line
Since the techniques and steps are not the same, the results can be different
* See the most comprehensive article “Four Step Theory” that covered all basic rules, which may not include the latest modifications.