WHEN THE NAGUAL IS EXPERIENCED, WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN AND DESCRIBE?

THE TONAL IS CONVINCED BY REASON/THE NAGUAL WITH ACTIONS YOU CANNOT EXPLAIN THE NAGUAL WITH THE TONAL

Your tonal has to be convinced with reasons, your nagual with actions, until one props the other.TOP,157. Whenever you are in the world of the nagual, you should be impeccable; no time for rational crap. SRP,198. The tonal and nagual are two different worlds. in one you talk, in the other you act. SRP,235. I've never put a ban on talking..we can talk about the nagual to your heart's content, as long as you don't try to explain it. ...I said that the nagual is only for witnessing..so we can talk about what we witnessed and about how we witnessed it. You want to take on the explanation of how all that is possible, though and that is an abomination. You want to explain the nagual with the tonal. TOP,186 You know very well that we make sense in talking only because we stay within certain boundries, and those boundaries are not applicable to the nagual. TOP,187.

my reasoning faculties ceased to function. Literally, I felt as though a dark blanket had covered me and obscured my thoughts. And I let go of my reason with the abandon of one who doesn't have a worry in the world. I was convinced that if I wanted to dispel the obscuring blanket, all I had to do was feel myself breaking through it. In that state, I felt I was being propelled, set in motion. Something was making me move physically from one place to the other. I did not experience any fatigue. The speed and ease with which I could move elated me. POS,216... Reason craps out in an instant when it is out of its safe narrow bounds. (?) (missed this one, anyone know?)

WE HAVE NO WAY TO TALK ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE BECAUSE WE HAVE NO WORDS TO DESCRIBE THE EXPERIENCE (THE WORDS ARE NOT PART OF OUR INTERPRETATION SYSTEM) My difficulty in grasping his concepts and methods stemmed from the fact that the units of his description were alien and incompatible with those of my own. JTI,ix Sure I can explain anything, he said, laughing, But could you understand it? JTI,190. Don't take that leap in the sense that you understand a leap...once again, this is only a way of speaking. As long as you think that you are a solid body you cannot conceive what I am talking about. TOP,95. Of course you cannot understand it.. you are trying to think about it and what I said does not fit with your thoughts. SR,82 What I perceived in those states of altered consciousness was incomprehensible and impossible to interpret by means of our everyday mode of

understanding the world. In other words, the condition of inapplicability entailed the cessation of the pertinence of my world view. SR,9. Our difficulty in understanding (DJ's teachings) it stems, no doubt, from the alien units of meaning with which it deals. SR,10. I instantly realized that I had entered again into a state in which I could think coherently, but I could not talk. don Juan told me not to worry. He said our speech faculty is extremely flimsy and attacks of muteness are common among sorcerers who venture beyond the limits of normal perception. ..he warned me that it was not possible to rely on my rationality to

understand my experience, not because my rationality was in any way impaired but because what had taken place was a phenomenon outside the parameters of reason. TAOD,72,73 I became incapable of rendering intelligently what I saw . My sensation was that I had reached states of perception for which I had no lexicon. TAOD,198 emanations cannot be rendered at all in a language of comparisons. FFW,62 The journey (entering the unconscious fully aware) cannot be adequately described. EE. M,10. he said that if he attempted to explain the perceptual bias of the second attention in terms of the perceptual bias of the first attention, he would only trap himself hopelessly in words. EG,265. Freedom...cannot be an investment...an adventure with no end, in which we risk our lives and much more for a few moments of something beyond words, beyond thoughts or feelings. TAOD,81 One could come into it by changing levels of awareness, therefore HA was an entrance..but even the entrance could not be explained. One could only make use of it. POS,97 Dreaming can only be experienced. TAOD, ii,iii.

To explain what we are and what we do is the most trying thing in the world. I wish I could make it clearer, but I can't. So, it's pointless to keep insisting on explanations when there are none. TSC,175 ...beware of the frustrating desire to explain the sorcery experience in cogent, well-reasoned terms. the sorcerers experience is so outlandish.. that sorcerers consider it an intellectual experience, and use it to stalk themselves with. Their trump card as stalkers, though, is that they remain keenly aware that we are perceivers, and that

perception has more possibilities than the mind can conceive of.. in order to protect

themselves from that immensity..sorcerers learn to maintain a perfect blend of ruthlessness, cunning, patience and sweetness. POS, 246,247 For the nagual there is no land, or air, or water..so the nagual glides, or flies. or does whatever it may do, in naguals time and that has nothing to do with tonal's time. The two things don't jibe. TOP,189. The view of the nagual must prevail if one is going to use the nagual the way sorcerers do. TOP,262 there is nothing of that sort in the nagual. (order in our perception) . TOP,263

I can't describe it..not because it is a personal matter, but because there is no way to describe it. TOP,174.... not because I don't want to, but simply because I can't. My tonal stops there....TOP,175. the reason why I never wanted to discuss your encounters with power plants, or let you talk obsessively about them; there was no point in elaborating about the unspeakable. Those were true excursions into the nagual, the unknown. TOP,238.

Whenever the nagual prevails, even if it is only for an instant, there is no way of describing the feeling that the body experiences. TOP,228. In the case of seeing..thinking is not the issue at all, so I cannot tell you what it is like to see. SR,86. Seeing is very difficult and is not a matter of talk. SR,105. There is really no way to talk about it.(seeing) SR,170. ...For awhile you were all nagual and could not talk. TOP,154....The affairs of the nagual can be witnesses only with the body, and not the reason. TOP,155

WORDS ONLY CONFUSE,TRICK,FAIL US WHEN DESCRIBING THE NAGUAL

..in the sorcerer's world there are only contradictions of terms.. in practice there are no contradictions. POS,166...the problem with words was that any attempt to clarify the sorcerers description only made them more confusing. POS,225 We always get tricked by words... TAOD, ii,iii That's the flaw with words. They always force us to feel enlightened, but when we turn around to face the world they always fail us and we end up facing the world as we always have, without enlightenment. TOP,29 (See sorcerers way: action) Definitions change as knowledge increases.. POS,7 The danger of definitions is that they simplify matters to make them understandable; in this case, in defining attention, one runs the risk of transforming a magical, miraculous accomplishment into something commonplace. FFW,82

WE USE MANY WORDS TO EXPLAIN ONE KIND OF EXPERIENCE

...nagualism, knowledge, witchcraft, mastery of intent, the search for total freedom..POS,7

EVERY EXPERIENCE CAN BE DIFFERENT FOR EVERY PERSON

It is impossible to explain that knowing..because it is different for every man. SR,68.