Provider
Retention
Strategy
Utilizing Scribes –Taking the “Doc” out of DocumentationPatricia Sand, MD Elaine Porter, MD Michaela Mangas BS, ACMSS Charles Kitzman, MMI Shasta Community Health Center, Redding CA
▪Vital Signs/
▪History of the Scribe Program ▪Lessons Learned ▪Guardrails
▪Training/Onboarding/Team Building ▪Provider Perspectives
▪Q/A
▪35 FT Provider FQHC 5 locations
▪Live on since May 2007
▪138,000 encounters annually
▪Multiple services
▪Primary Care/Residency 2‐2‐2* ▪NP/PA Fellowship* ▪Pediatrics
▪Primary Care Neuropsychiatry
▪Dental
▪Homeless Van
Motivations
▪
Extend
shelf
‐
lives
of
our
veteran
Provider
staff
(Retention)
▪
Improve
the
Quality
of
our
Documentation
▪
Mitigate
workers
comp
claims/repeated
computer
use
▪
Let
our
Clinicians
feel
like
Clinicians
again
(Satisfaction)
*Making money was/is NOT a goal of the program
In
the
beginning…
3rdparty Evaluator
5 scribes for the pilot
Bachelors Degrees required
Early adoption was met with Resistance
Opinion leaders influenced others over time
Today all providers utilize scribes
Scribe Profile
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐Onset ▪College educated ‐Bachelor
▪Interested in Medical Arts – Nursing, PA, NP ▪Type 45+ minute
▪1 year commitment
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐After Training Program Development
Some College
Scribe as Career Mindset
Scribe Profile
Scribe Profile
Career
Path
Vs
Educational
Model
▪Longer Tenure/Less Turnover
▪More Training from Provider Required
▪More oversight necessary
▪More compartmentalization
▪Training‐based
▪Running Start
▪Higher Turnover
▪Easier on Providers – Short term
▪Faster Training/Onboarding
▪More crossover/flexibility
Risks
and
Assumptions
Gender issues may interfere with careCo‐dependency
Territoriality
CPOE (Meaningful Use) numbers could be impacted adversely Learning/Training process might negatively impact access
▪Medications off limits. No Abstracting, No Editing, No Ordering ▪No injectable medications
▪Pediatric Scribes are allowed to get Immunizations ordered ▪Can order Labs, Diagnostics, Referrals, CLIA Tests ▪Provider mustcreate the chart note, not the scribe ▪Role has expanded significantly over time to include:
▪Data Gathering – Report Abstraction ‐Pre‐Visit Planning ‐Answer Portal Traffic ‐Clinical Guidelines
Q:
Why
can’t
we
just
go
back
to
the
1950’s
where
Doctors
were
Gods
and
no
one
ever
questioned
them?
A:
Because
the
CIO
said
so.
EHR
– The
Good
the
Bad
and
the
Ugly
The
Ugly
The
Bad
Th
e
Good
Access to Data Improves Some
aspects of Care Better
communication
with patients
Time‐
Consuming
Data Entry Information
Overload MU <> Clinical
Practice Template based
notes degrade
quality of note
I don’t feel like
a provider
anymore Lower skilled
work is
demoralizing Burnout*
16 16 *Each ‘X’ is a clinician
17 17
Increased Access* Better Data Capture Better Notes
Another Set of Eyes on Quality Easier Trainees (ICD‐10/Changes) Provider/Patient Satisfaction Better Behavior
Costs (onboarding – ongoing) Turnover
Co‐dependence Patient Adoption/Sensitivity Territoriality
Before
After
Basics
Scribe pay range (13.00 – 18.80) @ SCHC is not as low as ER’s not as high as
some.
Certification by American College of Medical Scribe Specialists
($370 to start $170 Annual Dues)
www.theacmss.orgfor more information. Primary Care is a focus of
certification
This is primarily for the Meaningful Use CPOE measures though other reasons
may apply.
Average tenure of Scribe is
1.8
years
Impact
The Scribes are a straight up cost for SCHC.
No evidence of sustainability in the program in and of itself.
Budget 18 Pt/Day without a scribe 20 Pt/Day if you have a scribe. Clinical Average remains at 18.
Benefits exist elsewhere and are worth consideration
Ex. Retention, Recruitment, Work/Life Balance, Quality Improvement, Communication Some teams are more fluid than others. Can see 20+ ‐helps to subsidize others/onboarding etc.
Backfilling
Operations
▪Other Revenue Streams are vitalfor us to continue to use Scribes. ▪340B Prescription Drug Program
▪Partnership HealthPlan QIP Program
▪Meaningful Use
Our
Reality
May
Not
Be
Your
Reality
▪Clinician Turnover
▪Managed Care – Costs Continue to Rise
▪Referral Center, Patient Navigators, Patient Education etc ▪Preparations for eventual Value Based reimbursement
which isn’t here yet
▪
We continue because it’s a
major
satisfier and we’ve been
able to pay for it so far. (5 Years)
Training
and
Team
Building
Michaela Mangas, BS ACMSS – Provider EHR Trainer
What to look for
when hiring
a medical scribe:
Computer and Typing Skills: •At least 45 WPM. The higher the better.
•Basic computer proficiency in Windows environment Spelling and Grammar:
•A spell check feature is very helpful (We use Spell‐ex). Attention to Detail
Organization
What To Look For In Hiring A Scribe (continued)
Good listening and communication skills
Confidence
Deal with mental health issues
Good customer service
Tech Savvy
Interested in healthcare
Some college‐Note taking and condensing conversations
Helpful but not required:
•Medical Terminology/Anatomy/Physiology courses,
Medical Transcription background.
Train the Trainer
I.
Recruitment
II.
Red
Flags
III.
Keys
To
Clinical
Team
Efficiency
IV.
Scribe
Etiquette
V.
Additional
Tasks
VI.
Scribing
No
‐
Nos
VII.
Monthly
Meetings
VIII.
What
have
we
learned?
Scribe Etiquette
*Introduction from clinician before every visit.
“Hi, John. Good to see you again, this is my scribe Tabitha, she will be documenting our visit today.”
*Moderate interaction with patient when appropriate.
Scribe Meetings
•
How
often?:
Once
per
month
for
an
hour.
•
What
for?:
Discuss
quality
measures,
EHR
updates,
workflow
efficiencies,
debriefing,
etc.
•
Who
runs
the
meetings?:
Lead
Scribe
and
other
VIII. What have we learned?
Familiarity is key
Differences in Pediatric vs. Family Practice
Scribing
Establishing a “float” scribe for sick calls and
specialists Scribe Guides very useful
Interdepartmental Collaboration Territoriality Early On
Lead Scribe to work with clinician prior to
training
ACMSS
Importance of Review Process
Provider
Perspectives
Dr.
Patricia
Sand
Dr.
Elaine
Porter
Provider
Perspectives
– Early
Adoption
▪Have had 2 scribes assigned over a 5 year period
▪College Experience is helpful – Synthesizing conversation is important ▪Younger scribes more in tune with vocab/social trends in teens = helpful ▪Scribe can chaperone for exams – freeing up the nurse = better
workflow
▪Job Sharing ‐are you available to help? Faxing, Running Specimen to lab, etc.
Helping
the
Team
▪Ordering Labs▪Scribes have shown they know how to learn the Immunization Schedule.
▪Communication With Patients – Work/School excuses, Service Animal letters.
▪Create and maintain Template Saves and My Phrases for Providers ▪Some scribes have been trained to take vitals and room patients.
Increases Utility
▪The presence of a Scribe can have a positive impact on patient behavior.
Work/Life
Balance
▪Huge impact on time actually in the Health Center – Rarely do charts from home.
▪Able to do today’s work today. Provides more control over my practice. ▪Scribes, like nurses, learn your habits and can help keep you moving. ▪Scribes are easy to delegate time‐consuming small tasks to – Finding
paperwork, Calling IT, loading paper in the printers, re‐stocking shelves, creating labels etc.
▪Investing the time and energy into training your scribe pays dividends. ▪Learn to let some things go. Meet them halfway.
Provider
Perspective
‐
Quality
▪
Later Adopter – Has highly Capable Scribe
▪
College Degree (English) Fast learner, Tech Savvy. Good
Spelling/Grammar
▪
Uses Tech to increase her helpfulness – (Looking up Provider
Names, CDC website, OTC info)
▪
For complicated Patients – She is trained to summarize the
previous note for greater continuity in the Chart Note.
▪
Reviews PAR reports and Med Management Agreements. Pre‐
emptive approach
▪
Helps Manage Guidelines, Report anomalies, Finds Variances in
Vitals (High BP, Ht jumps)
Additional
Impact
on
Quality
▪Trained her to fill out disability forms based in previous chart info – Saves time. ▪Can help with procedures like pap smears when nurse is busy.
▪Copy forms for the patient, fetch resources, provide patient education and safety information.
▪Saves me 2‐3 hours a day – very noticeable when I have to work without a scribe. ▪We handle Clinical Quality as a Team in my clinic, the scribe definitely plays a role. ▪Scribes develop a much better understanding of the EHR platform, trains me as
necessary.