September 17th, 2002, 06:18 PM phyrelord
I want to make an ak-47 full auto. I searched the forum and only came up with a discussion on a select fire ak but i'm looking for ways to make an ak full auto completely w/out select fire. just full auto. Any help is greatly appreciated
September 17th, 2002, 06:29 PM Whitey
This isn't exactly what you are looking for but it is fun and legal.
Ever hear of "the bump"? Basically it is a way to simulate full auto rates with out being full auto since the trigger is depressed for each time the weapon is fired.
Here is a page that gives instructions and a video on "the bump".
<a href="http://hometown.aol.com/bishop042/bump.html" target="_blank">http://hometown.aol.com/bishop042/ bump.html</a>
September 18th, 2002, 01:14 AM Zyklon_B
Go here: <a href="http://secession.tripod.com/southerntradingsblueprintsandreceivers/id2.html" target="_blank">http:// secession.tripod.com/southerntradingsblueprintsandreceivers/id2.html</a>
And buy this:
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47. 60% finished AK-47 Lightning Link. All the mill work and welding is done. You simply cut out one small part with hand tools or dremmel and fit to your receiver and drop in. Comes with bonded on template and instructions. Will fit all AK Variants. ALL NFA rules apply! Shipping is $6.00. Price $50.00.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">After you finish the work with a dremel following all the easy plans they give you, all you have to do is drop it in your AK and you get full-auto and safety only.
When your done you just take it out of your gun. It leaves no marks and does nothing permanent. Also can be switched from AK to AK.
September 26th, 2002, 08:48 PM Nico
Disclaimer: If you have a friend who has an AK, make sure he never modifies his weapon in this manner. This information is to help you identify what NOT to do, in order to keep all your friends and acquaintances on the right side of the law.
<img src="ftp://ewf:[email protected]/Hosted%20Images/Nico/aktrick.gif" alt=" - " /> How the semi-auto version of the AK works (follow along with the picture):
- When cocked, the hammer is held back by the hooks on the trigger.
- Pulling the trigger swings the hooks out of the way, causing the hammer to rotate forward and hit the firing pin which stikes the primer and you're in business (the shin bone's connected to the knee bone, and so forth) :)
- After firing, the bolt slides back, bringing the hammer with it.
- Keeping the trigger pressed keeps the hooks out of the way, but our lovely friend the disconnector remains on duty to hold that hammer back when the bolt slides forward again.
- Letting go of the trigger releases the disconnector but raises the hooks, so the hammer is still held back, until the trigger is pulled anew.
- If it wasn't for the disconnector, the hammer would just rotate forward by being carried along with the bolt, slamming into the firing pin again.
- This process would continue until either a) you release the trigger, or b) you run out of ammo.
- So what to do about the pesky disconnector? Simply tie it off to the cross pin (the safety lever pivots on it) ... this keeps it out of the way.
Problems with this:
- I have no idea if this even works, not having an AK nor any interest in going to jail. - This information was garnered from a text file of dubious origin.
- There is no way to fire single shots, unless you are extremely quick at letting go of the trigger. This could be very dangerous.
- You could waste a lot of ammo with this method. - A twist-tie is pretty half-assed.
- The hammer may not have as much force being carried forward by the bolt as it would being release by the hammer spring. Thus, light strikes may occur and rounds may not even fire at all. Perhaps it depends on the ammo, but likely the problem is because the weapon is not made to operate in this manner.
- Stamped receivers may have trouble handling the barrage of full auto. Blackjack buffers or similar are recommended. - ***** It's quite illegal, so don't do it. *****
<small>[ September 26, 2002, 07:49 PM: Message edited by: Nico ]</small>
September 26th, 2002, 09:34 PM hodehum
I also found a way of converting an AK-47 to full auto using a twist tie, also in a text file. you can find it <a href="http:// www.hackcanada.com/ice3/misc/ak47mod.txt" target="_blank">here</a>.
September 26th, 2002, 11:45 PM Zyklon_B
If they couldn't get the caliber and the cartridge right in that above text, what are the chances of it really working?
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September 27th, 2002, 01:41 AM hodehum
Somewhere between zero and shit all
Does anyone have any plans to converting any common/well known rifle to full-auto? esp with firing mechanism similar to that of a AK-47?
September 27th, 2002, 09:00 PM Nico
Yes, that HackCanada file is the 'file of dubious origin' that I was referring to. I drew the pic as I understood the text file to mean. But, yes, it seem pretty sketchy.
Here is a pic of the AK-47 version of the Lightning Link:
<img src="http://home.earthlink.net/~notpurfect/aklink.jpg" alt=" - " /> and the associated text:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">This is the link for the AK-47, and AKS series of rifles. The curved ends catch notches at the end of the AK hammer, and hold it back until the link is tripped by the forward movement of the bolt. It is shown approximately twice actual size, and may be easily inserted, and removed from the weapon. The picture was taken from an add on an Internet web sight where it was being sold; don't ask me for the address. As there is no serial number on the piece, and the seller in question is not a class 3 dealer, I can only assume that the device in question is illegal, and being sold illegally. As may be seen, this is simply a flat piece of spring steel which has been cut and bent to size. It can be produced easily with minimal equipment for a couple of dollars, and yet I see these bits of prison bait selling for hundreds of dollars.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">And here is the site it came from:
<a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~notpurfect/semifull.html" target="_blank">http://home.earthlink.net/~notpurfect/ semifull.html</a>
September 29th, 2002, 10:23 PM EventHorizon
As I understand it anyone can get full auto AK parts at almost any good gun show as they are not illegal. All that is required is drilling one hole in the AK receiver (thats what will get you 10 years) and installing the auto bolt and sear and then making an additional notch between the "safe" position and the fire position. Very easy! The SKS is even simpler. You remove the trigger assembly and bend a small piece of metal much like in an above post and that fits under the sear preventing it from catching. With additional modification to make the pins come out easy you have an easy conversion that can be done in literally less than 2 minutes. Get an SKS that accepts AK mags, whack in a 75 rnd drum and you have one nice little toy to plink with. :p <small>[ September 29, 2002, 09:26 PM: Message edited by: EventHorizon ]</small>
September 30th, 2002, 10:24 PM phyrelord
Does anyone have plans for the lightning link for the AK-47? or can anyone explain better where it goes, or shed any light on the subject. Does anyone have the milling plans. I would like to take a look at them, for educational purposes of course.
October 2nd, 2002, 11:31 AM vir sapit qui pauca loquitur
damn, why is it that everyone thinks that full-auto gives them an edge? Semi-auto is perfectly good enough, the US marines have semi and burst-fire (thats what i like) But why do you need full auto on an AK of all the things? :confused: I mean the recoil of the 7.62x 39 round _is_ lower then the 7.62 NATO (7.62x51) but its still too high to give ANY indication that the shooter is anything more then an African monkey (they have a fondness for automatic fire)
my advise (and i'm sure that i'll get flamed for it) is that you enjoy the years that you would lose if caught with such a device. learn to rapid fire with that AK, you can count every round with semi,
so you have full control of when (if!) you run dry.
Remember that you can own semi-auto firearms, us poor British weren't given the choice. We either handed in the hand-guns or were branded as perverts/children killers. We could have revolted but the general public was wedged so far up blairs ass that they don't see the future, and they only believe what the papers report on :mad: :mad:
arrggg, my blood pressure <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
October 2nd, 2002, 01:35 PM zaibatsu
Full Auto may be a useless option for an assault rifle, BUT I see two reasons for having it. One, it'd be pretty fun. Two, add a longer, heavier barrel, and a bipod, and you could have a makeshift LMG.
October 2nd, 2002, 02:45 PM EventHorizon
Full auto is fun!!!! Thats why its worth the time if caught.
BUT, as far as hitting anything, unless you've extensivly trained firing full auto, most normal people can't hit jack sh*t. I've shot my share of fully auto weapons from subguns to a BAR. If its a 7.62NATO or larger...forget controlling it, but a 5.56 or 7.62X39 isn't to bad.
If you want to actually hit something, semi is all you need and if you're looking to inflict major damage, snipe. Read Gunny Hathcocks book and you'll see what I mean. Its amazing how many targets are still standing after you cut loose with FA spray and pray.
November 27th, 2003, 08:33 PM ossassin
I would not recommend converting an AK to full-auto. Rather, I would suggest converting it to select-fire. You do not want to give up the semi-auto mode in most assault rifles. However, seeing as how the AK was designed for full-auto fire, it might not be such a bad idea. There are better alternatives, though. A select-fire conversion would either need a receiver modification or some part replacements; either would work.
damn, why is it that everyone thinks that full-auto gives them an edge? Semi-auto is perfectly good enough, the US marines have semi and burst-fire (thats what i like)
Full-auto gives one a huge advantage at close ranges. The "burst" feature was used in the M16A2, because after Vietnam, there was a widespread concern about ammo conservation. However, the military, including the Marines, is slowly going back to full-auto. The new M4A1's are full auto, and it is considered the standard-issue rifle.
The AK was designed for full-auto fire. It's not a very accurate rifle, but it was made to be reliable and powerful at close range. If you want an accurate rifle that works well on semi-auto, get an AR-15.
NOTE: The exception to the full-auto rule is someone who has had years of training. Many spec-ops groups double-tap with semi-auto instead, but most troops can not keep the necessary state of mind and do not have the reflexes.
November 27th, 2003, 10:43 PM grandyOse
I have a mechanical drawing around here somewhere for the MILLED sks autosear. Easily made with shop tools, and probably easier than trying to bend that sheet steel just right. It I had a way to upload it I would.
I know a guy with one of these modified trigger groups. I've seen him fire off 3 to 5 round groups with pretty good accuracy at 50 yards. Also saw him open up and walk the bullet stream onto target where he could hold it for the duration of the
magazine. This guy is no marksman, either. I can see the advantage.
November 28th, 2003, 02:04 AM Barcy
grandyOse. I am sure there would be a number of parties most interested in the milled sks autosear, if you could find a way to upload it in the future. Not that us poor Aussies are allowed to own such semi auto firearms anymore. Your discription of its efficiency beats the demonstration I witnessed many years ago, when a boasting friend insisted he could make his ak/sks full auto. Without testing them action manually, in went a full magazine and he pulled the trigger. Unfortunitely when he released the trigger the thing kept firing. Not only did he risk his life and his spectators when he almost dropped it in panic, he did not hit the body sized target at 25metres once.
So although always interested in learning new things (knowledge is power), if anyone was thinking on how they could modify a semi to an auto. I am sure they would also be thinking on doing a manual check of the action, by using a firearm with no magazine or bullets in the chamber pulling back the cocking lever and letting it slide forward on to an empty chamber and than pull the trigger to see if the firing action clicks forward. Now moving the cocking lever back and forwards hold the trigger in and listen and/or feel for the click of the firing action. I would personally try these two steps a few times. Once you feel confident with this I would only load a few rounds into a magazine to test it. If the auto fire seems OK load a few more rounds till you are certain the auto action responds to the release of the trigger. Test fire by trying to make short burst with your trigger control.
Not being a wimp when it comes to firearms, but a runaway full auto in another persons hands has already scared the hell out of me once.
November 28th, 2003, 03:38 PM grandyOse
Barcy, it sounds like the guy turned his firing pin around, or found some other way to make it slamfire. slamfiring is unwise. Not only can it result in runaway FA as you described, it is hard on the bolt and who knows what else, because the round is firing before the bolt is fully engaged. You have made a most excellent suggestion about dry firing to make sure the conversion is working properly.
November 28th, 2003, 04:53 PM grandyOse
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November 28th, 2003, 06:03 PM grandyOse
I hate doing stuff half-assed. Let me try again. Mods; delete post counts if you want, I'm not rying to be a whore.
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January 9th, 2004, 11:13 PM Voyager
Screw the AK-47.
The best firarm plans on the net are the AR-15 CAD plans at http://www.biggerhammer.net/ar15/cad/
http://www.geocities.com/elmgrove1765/project6/project6.html is an excellent description of building an AR-15 receiver.
January 10th, 2004, 02:55 AM Mike76251
There are a few notes in this thread about using a twist-tie or a nylon zip-tie on a AK's "trigger hook" to render it full auto. I just took the top cover off one and can see no way for this to work. The claw-like hooks these ties would hold back don't even hold the trigger. The disconector does in the one I just looked at.
Even if it did work...the hammer would just follow the bolt and not have near enough energy to activate the primer. On another important note, never modify a semi into a full auto if the weapon was not designed for it in the first
place...aka SKS...you can get away with a AK conversion because the weapon was designed for it in the first place. A SKS can blow it's top cover too easy when rock-n-rolling and it always comes off straight back (with great force) right into your face.
January 10th, 2004, 01:14 PM jackhammer
A 7.62 round has enough kick WITHOUT the full-auto.Full-auto gives one a huge advantage at close ranges. The "burst" feature was used in the M16A2, because after Vietnam, there was a widespread concern about ammo conservation. However, the military, including the Marines, is slowly going back to full-auto. The new M4A1's are full auto, and it is considered the standard-issue rifle. The Colt Commando (or M4), is chambered for the 5.56 NATO. I've fired fully auto shotguns easier to control than the AK-47, (although I never got the chance to use the Jackhammer, mostly because it was never really
released), and they are far more deadly at close range. Why not simply use the ak-74, or, as voyager said, convert something like the AR-15?
January 10th, 2004, 06:46 PM ibuprofen
The method described in Nico's post is dangerous. It may work due to the inertia if you timed it right, but it would be a very bad idea. What would happen is the bolt would slam the hammer back, and if it worked the bolt would lock closed again before the hammer made it back to hit the firing pin. If it worked wrong, the hammer could hit the firing pin before the bolt was closed, firing the cartridge partially out of its chamber (slam-fire) and possibly blowing up the gun, some or all the carts in
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the loaded magazine, and ruining at least the gun if not your face (a few inches away). Please don't do it. I don't know enough about the AK to suggest a way that works but I have heard the lightning link works.
January 10th, 2004, 10:26 PM lamar pye
What you guys are talking about is slam firing conversion...its dangerous and it doesnt work. If you pull out the bolt carrier on your AK have a look at the triangular shaped piece at the back of the carrier, this is what keeps the hammer from hitting