The MBL Interview - CHPH2 - DVDs - Transcripts - Part

Igor: Alright guys so how did you enjoy the Mind Bending Language yesterday? All: Interesting stuff

Igor: Interesting stuff? Some people felt a little challenged by it’s that correct, yes? We’ll show you later on how to make it more easy, but now I want to start turning it into something more functional, right? So if you recall yesterday we started the PCAT formula, right? What was the P of the PCAT formula?

All: Parameters

Igor: And what do you do in the parameters, what is the objective in the parameters? All: Finding out the problem.

Igor: Finding out the problem and? All: Context the direction.

Igor: Get the context and direction that they want to move in, right? So there are a couple of questions that you can ask your clients, these are actually questions that come from John Overdurf. You should know by the way this whole Mind Bending Language stuff originated from a man called John Overdurf, one of my mentors. I have kind of taken it in this direction in the way we train it and so on but the core idea I got from him and so hats off to him, he did a fantastic job so some of the elements that we will be discussing today will be coming directly from him and I will just point out when it does, just because you got to give credit where it’s due, right?

So when you think about the parameters… This is one of John’s favorite questions I think it’s great you do not have to ask it, but I’m presenting to you because I think it’s a great question. What is the difference between this and saying what is the problem?

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There is it presupposition that you will be finished, right? A lot of therapists would you like to do is ask things like what would you like to work on today? You can tell the mind set is that it will take a long time to finish. There is no way we’ll get done today, right? So that is one of the reasons I like it – you can just ask what’s the problem? That is a simple way of doing it. Just in the back of your mind have this as an idea so that you can start exploring into it if you want to go down this road. Can we have a microphone up here please? Just stand up so we can get it to you.

Q: It seems like this would also be a little self limiting where you say what do you want to work on? They would be more likely to give you a list that this I think. Igor: Right, because they think you have to work through it today, my god, well better

make it something I can work through today, right? It’s true so there are elements in there. Please do not get too caught up on the questions, I just want to give you some food for thought and if you simplify down to what’s the problem I really don’t have an issue with it. I’m just giving you options at this point, right? So then what are you asking we are trying to contain the problem, right? How do you contain the problem? Exactly.

2. When, where and how.

This is also important, the how, how do you feel? If I’m in poverty and barely eat, do I have a problem?

All: Yes.

Igor: Really? If have abject poverty I can barely eat, but I’m really happy and I do not care, do I have a problem?

All: No.

Igor: So it’s not the situation that is the problem it’s our reaction to the situation where the problem occurs. Now it may not be an ideal situation, but there are many people who are very poor and quite happy about it, right? I realize there is some extreme situations, you know where you know well the real problem is

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CHPH 2.0 ©Street Hypnosis All Rights Reserved someone has got a gun to their head and so on. We are not talking about those things, right? We are talking about how we are going to deal with the therapy. So fundamentally a person will come to you because at some level they are dissatisfied, they are unhappy, they feel bad about something. The irony is, is that something is a behavior like over eating, nail biting or something like that, the thing that maintains the behavior is the dissatisfaction.

You see it’s kind of like you remember the image from yesterday? Let us go back to this. You remember this funky little image here looks kind of a modern artist you know. In traditional psychology what you can call this sort of circle where everything has been isolated in can be called a part. It’s kind of like being so self contained that its apart from the rest of them and it feels like something else is taking over and in extreme circumstance I guess this could become more like a split personality or something like that. Do feel a bit like you are a split personality when you have got a problem and you keep acting the wrong way and you cannot help yourself? Do you feel a little bit like that? So the whole idea of parts is kind of an extreme splitting off of part of your nervous system, right? So a lot of people will look at some aspect of themselves and not like it, they want to cut it out and move it away just get rid of it and burn it off. If only I could chop it off like a nail, then I would be real happy. Would that be fair to say? And if your are honest with yourself would it be fair to say that at some point in your life, something has happened to you, some aspect of your own personality you wish you could just curve out with a knife and just get rid of. Wouldn’t that be fair?

And that’s why it stuck around for a while. Because you see it’s still you, it’s all you. Your nervous system is your nervous system and to the extent you try and disavow some part of it you are giving it independence you can no longer influence. You can’t cut out a part of you. What you can do is dissolve a boundary and transform it, which is why the old saying comes along, what you resist will persist, what you accept you get the power to transform. You see where we are going with this?

So even if there is a behavior they want to change like nail biting for example, there is an emotion which drives the behavior and if nothing else, there’s that

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CHPH 2.0 ©Street Hypnosis All Rights Reserved dissociation, that wish of trying to just say it’s not me I wish this was gone, which is stabilizing it as separate and therefore outside of influence, do you see how that works? So this question how is important, how do you feel, how do you feel about it, how do you feel when you do it? Two slightly different questions there. How do you feel about it? The fact that it’s happening, how do you feel when it’s happening because it tells you what’s driving that behavior, driving the situation, right?

3. How do you want to be different?

Again this next question comes from John. How do you want to be different, doesn’t that give you a direction to head in? Yes, simple? What I would like you to do is get into pairs. As soon as you are in your pairs please turn this way so we know we actually start the exercise, off you go. You have a choice at this point first of all one of you guys decide to be the hypnotist the other one the client. Just very quickly decide then come back.

Okay great. Let us not make a song and dance about this folks. Let us have your attention up here again please let us not make too much of a song and dance about it because it’s a very simple choice to make. It’s going to be a long day otherwise, right? So what I want you to do is this, the client you have a choice to make here, you can either present a real problem you have, but small we are doing training here right now. Right, small or you may ‘channel’ someone you know who has a problem small or medium sized and kind of role play them so that the hypnotist can kind of work with that a little bit. Does that make sense? So either you select a small problem of your own or you think of your friends or potential clients and get a small problem from them and just role play how you think they might answer these questions. Makes sense?

All I want you to do hypnotists is get this information, what you are going to work on through today, when and where does it happen, specifically, one example only. How do you feel when it’s happening, how do you feel about it and how do you want to be different? Those are the three key questions you want to ask. Now, you probably want to spend five or ten minutes exploring this, which is why you only get one.

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All: You are going to have to go right to the point.

Igor: You are going to have to go right to the point, exactly. Clients are great at distracting you from what needs to happen. They are the world’s best hypnotists and they do not even know it. How many hypnotherapists in the room, how many? Once again hands up? Would it not be fair to say, clients are great at giving this hour long sob story, at which point you think, my God you are right, you really are messed up! The hypnotists is believing that their issue is actually real, whilst you can empathize with the emotions that are experienced of the pain that they are in, please never actually believe that any problem a client has is actually real. It’s something they created inside. In the same way, what are the problems you have or I have? They are things I have created inside or you created inside yourself too, right?

So you are going to have a minute specifically so that you start with listening to the story getting sucked into the hypnotic story about woe and you are looking for specific information, things you can actually do something about, right? So one minute, we’ll come back, then the other person will have a go. Off you go. How many got done in that time? Actually surprisingly good, I’m impressed well done. How many people needed more time? Right that’s fine. Notice how some clients really want to push that issue of like keep talking and adding more info and so on, right? So there is a balanced skill set that you need to develop between letting them talk enough to feel like stuff coming off their chest, that’s kind of part of the process as well, but not so much that they eat up the entire session time and you have two minutes left to do something. So you’ve got to find that balance point. Any questions, concerns, issues about that? We are pretty straight forward. Pretty straight forward? Alright, other way round the second person to be the hypnotist now. Was that easy to do yes?

All: Yes.

Igor: Yes. So going the P part of the PCAT formula is pretty straight forward. Right and there are things we can do around them a little more, but essentially it’s pretty straight forward. So the next this is – what is the next thing in the whole PCAT

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CHPH 2.0 ©Street Hypnosis All Rights Reserved formula? Right the C stage, right? The C stage is the critical factor bypass, bypass the critical factor I guess you could call it the P bat formula, but that’s a little harder to say. What tools do you have to bypass the critical factor?

C – Bypass the Critical Factor 1. Mind Bending Language 2. Non Awareness Set All: Mind Bending Language.

Igor: Mind Bending Language absolutely, Non Awareness Set, right? Do you see they are very closely related in some ways? So I want you to do now with your partner, same partner, first hypnotist again is to start from scratch same three questions;

• What do you want to work through,

• When and where does it happen, and how do you feel?

• Finally - how do you want to be different?

Once you have all that information and you can kind of gather it a bit more quickly now because you know it’s coming any ways. I’d like for you to throw out one or two mind bending phrases and they don’t have to be great. To assist you with it I’ll just leave this up, they do not have to be great, they do not have to even be useful, they don’t have to have any impact, I would just like you to say it. Whatever comes to mind, ask the questions, speak to them, no more than two questions or two statements please then you’re done. Is this easy to do?

All: Yes.

Igor: Yes who feels under pressure right now, anyone? Stop it! Have I asked you to do anything difficult really think about it? All I’m asking you to do is take whatever they just said, whatever their problem is like, I fear cats or I can’t leave the house without dying! Small problems of course and you are going to just play with the language a little bit, put some extra words in between them maybe switch the order around, throw a not in or two, that is it. Right now we are finger painting.

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Now if you are still feeling a little bit of pressure, a little bit of nerves, try this for a change, close your eyes and get in touch with that sense of H+. That sense of really wanting to do something for someone else. Now you’ve had good trances in here. You felt great have you not? Get in touch with that feeling and wish it for this other person, want it for them and want them to really succeed. Now it’s irrelevant whether or not the one or two things you say right now will do that for them, they may or may not, but eventually want something to come out that will do that for them whether you know what that is right now or not. When you have a good sense of being that, open your eyes, look at your client and ask the three magic questions. Off you go.

So how was that, interesting? All: Fun.

Igor: Fun, more fun than you thought about before you went in? Because here is the thing even though we did the whole H+ and so on, who was still a little bit concerned a little bit anxious like, what am I going to do? I do not know. What you are experiencing is the fear of the unknown. How could you know what's going to happen because you haven’t talked to them yet, right? If you knew what they were going to say and what you would reply in return you wouldn’t need to do it because you already had had the conversation. So the only thing you need to be confident about is how to start. And you start by simply questioning the parameter and that’s how its taking you in. Makes sense? Hold the mic over here, just stand up.

Q: Yes one great focus is that H+ just having that intent and focus it takes away a lot of the fear, the doubt because you just go right in because you are like, I will help you and it makes a big difference

Igor: Huge difference, right? And you feel that shield developing. Perfect, over here folks, please stand up so we can get it you to you.

Q: In the last couple of days it seems like I get very forgetful about the steps and I can’t remember them and then sometimes I just kind of go off the reservation

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CHPH 2.0 ©Street Hypnosis All Rights Reserved with some other good stuff, but I know it’s not – I don’t know I‘m just having trouble kind of remembering every step, so I’d leave some things out here and there. And I’m just going to let that happen unless you tell me different. Alright! Nicely said.

Igor: There is another question over here somewhere.

Q: That’s okay. When you were showing the diagram and talking about when people try and cut something away, is that something different than like a person constantly goes to the doctor and feels in control because that’s what they feel in control of.

Igor: Oh you are talking about things like secondary gains and stuff like that? Don’t worry about that we’ll come to that later.

Q: Okay. That is something different that what you were saying?

Igor: It may be related, but let’s deal with it when we get to that section. You can ask the exact same question again at that point okay?

Q: Okay, thank you.

Igor: And just stand up so we can get the mic over.

Q: Small question and if it’s not relevant now then it’s okay if it’s not answered. The how part seems specific to a behavior and then the third question of how would you like to be different distinguishes you from the behavior. So what is the difference between how would you like to be different or how would you like it to be different? Or is there one?

Igor: Well, where is the behavior when someone has a fear of exams? Q: Internal.

Igor: In that question for you the idea of state is a behavior, when they feel anxious is a behavior for you?

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the question however you want, the idea is what is important here, right?

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